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Duterte approach on China
« on: September 24, 2016, 09:37:54 PM »
Duterte to Foreign Investors: Lumayas kayo, I'll deal with China, Russia instead

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September 22, 2016

"Do not keep complaining about my mouth because my mouth is not the problem. It cannot bring down a country," said Duterte in a speech in Cagayan De Oro on Thursday.

"Ang issue dito hindi ang bunganga ko. And they are saying the ratings sa business, sa economy. Eh 'di so be it. Lumayas kayo. Then we can start on our own. I can go to China. I can go to Russia. I had a talk with them. They are waiting for me. So what the hell."

Credit rating agency Standard & Poor's (S&P) Global Ratings earlier said an upgrade for the Philippines was unlikely because of investor concern over the political climate.
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Re: Duterte approach on China
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2016, 02:37:06 AM »
China to lift travel warning vs PH during Duterte trip | Rappler - October 14, 2016
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Asked by Filipino reporters when this is taking effect, the Chinese ambassador referred to Duterte's upcoming trip to Beijing: "During your President's visit."

Duterte is set to make a state visit to China from October 18 to 21.

China issued its travel warning against the Philippines in September 2014. China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs advised Chinese citizens "not to travel to the Philippines for the time being...given the worsened security situation" in the Southeast Asian country.

Zhao earlier clarified that this was "not a travel ban per se." Neither was it an order. He said this was only "an advice."

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No talk of sea ruling

Zhao said China will avoid discussing this ruling during Duterte’s trip to Beijing.

He said the two countries will focus on matters that "unite" them, such as tourism and the fight against the illegal drug trade.

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Re: Duterte approach on China
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2016, 04:58:17 PM »
Interview: Philippine president says "only China can help us" | xinhuanet.com -  2016-10-17
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Duterte starts a four-day state visit to China on Tuesday at the invitation of his Chinese counterpart, Xi Jinping.

The visit will help him better understand China, Duterte told Xinhua in an exclusive interview on Thursday.

He spoke highly of the Chinese government and people, saying that China boasts hard-working people and "good, sound policies, internal and external."

"I would say that China deserves the kind of respect that China now enjoys," he added.

Duterte also lauded China's commitment to and generosity of helping others as a major player of the international community, adding that besides its own development, China has never forgotten those underdeveloped nations, as illustrated by its devotion to helping African and Southeast Asian countries to promote development.

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Re: Duterte approach on China
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2016, 03:49:09 AM »
Time index 06:55

https://youtu.be/77qewVIdo3c

Arguably, Duterte is banking on the long history of lines of communication between the respective government apparatus of the US and PH to provide alternative static free communication. Not the least of which is SND Delfin Lorenzana who used to be military attache to the US.

My take on his approach: Create tensions with an ally that should be able to weather the stress . . . to mature and broaden the relationship between our countries.

One can only hope that the incoming ambassador (See here) picks up on the breadcrumbs that Duterte has been seeding each time the question of the future of US - PH relations comes up.

His refusal to simply come out and say what he wants is frustrating. But if you piece together what he expects from the US, from the ACTUAL recordings, what he wants out of the US is actually quite clear.

1. Overt support for the Philippine position in the WPS. Arguably in the same league as the US support of the Japanese position in the Senkakus. You can trace this to his "who would die for my country except us?" statement in the video above. Time index 03:18.

2. Full access to equipment as should have been granted by our "Major Non-NATO ally" status. See here

3. Broadened support, beyond military aid, for various initiatives. See here

Arguably if he asks for specifics, those could potentially be all that he gets. By making only the displeasure known . . . and leaving the resolution to the other party . . . he is apparently gambling that we'd get better deals than would otherwise be the case.

His position completely ignores how US-PH got to its current state. Few countries know more about our dirty laundry than the US, so realistically there is a reason why we get treated the way are. They know our screw ups better than most because a lot of them were done in their presence.

The approach that's been advocated in this community for years is that the Philippines should EARN the US's trust. To prove that we have matured as a country. Duterte . . . has other ideas for achieving what are ultimately the same ends: A strong country that can stand with its friends, but is not dependent upon them.

I personally wouldn't have the guts to play "poker" like this. Not with an entire country's well-being in the balance. But I recognize the need for a President to play his or her hand as they see it.

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I honestly don't believe he intends to walk away from the US. At least in the manner that a lot of folks fear. I personally believe he is intends to follow India's non-aligned route which pursued mature relations with all the great powers. Why walk away from the US when the goal is to pursue good relations with all.

PH-China relations are at an all-time low, and diplomatically, China has received a black eye because of the Philippine victory at UNCLOS.

So why his tone in the light of Chinese theft of Philippine shoals?

See time index 4:00 in the video above.


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Re: Duterte approach on China
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2016, 05:49:41 PM »
Commentary: Duterte's visit presents overdue opportunity for China-Philippines rapprochement | xinhuanet - 2016-10-18
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The visit surprises many around the world. It comes at a time when China-Philippines ties have nosedived to a historical low because of the farcical South China Sea arbitration case brought by Duterte's predecessor Benigno Aquino III against China.

In a reflection of his keenness to repair the seriously damaged relations, the new Philippine president chose China to be the first country he visits outside the Association of Southeast Asian Nations since taking office in June.

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Given the positive signs, Duterte's widely-watched visit to China functions as a litmus test of his sincerity and political wisdom. Among others, he needs to resist the temptation to thrust the so-called final award in the arbitration case to bilateral talks on the South China Sea issue. The verdict issued by a law-abusing tribunal has no place in the negotiations at all.

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A Beijing-Manila detente will be richly rewarding not only on the political and diplomatic fronts. With mutual trust restoring gradually, bilateral exchanges and cooperation in business and other areas will heat up in tandem.

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Re: Duterte approach on China
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2016, 06:20:19 PM »
South China Sea looms over Duterte visit | Inquirer.net -Agence France-Presse / 03:42 PM October 19, 2016
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Duterte has said his trip will focus on promoting economic ties. Foreign affairs spokesman Charles Jose has said: “There will be a lot, I mean a lot, of business contracts that will be signed.”

In an editorial Tuesday, China’s nationalistic Global Times newspaper called on the government to “reciprocate Duterte’s overture” by giving the Philippines access to fishing grounds near Scarborough Shoal — a move which would imply that such rights were China’s to give.

“Filipino fishermen fish on a shoestring and are unlikely to jeopardize the ecosystem of China’s waters,” the paper said.

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Re: Duterte approach on China
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2016, 04:25:54 PM »
Duterte allows Xi to take lead on South China Sea issue | Philstar - October 20, 2016
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Vera Files reported Wednesday, quoting a Malacañang source that Duterte “will take up the South China Sea issue “if raised” in his four-eyes meeting with Xi on October 20. He will not initiate to raise the issue of the arbitral ruling but will respond if mentioned. However, his key message on the matter of Scraborough shoal will be asserting the fishing rights of Filipinos there, but while this is his wish ‘he will listen and will not make any imposition on the Chinese side.’”

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Re: Duterte approach on China
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2017, 06:22:19 PM »
Palace: We’re not China’s spokesman
By: Philip C. Tubeza - @inquirerdotnet
Philippine Daily Inquirer / 07:44 AM August 11, 2017

Malacañang on Thursday denied that the Philippines had become China’s “spokesperson” in the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (Asean).

Presidential spokesperson Ernesto Abella said the Philippines, which currently chairs the Asean, was tasked with coming up with the joint communiqué that was satisfactory to all member-countries of the group.

“I think that’s overly interpreting things,” Abella said of criticisms that the Philippines, under the Duterte administration, had gone soft on China.

During the recent 50th Asean Ministers Meeting in Manila, Foreign Affairs Secretary Alan Peter Cayetano admitted that the Philippines did not want to mention in the final communiqué land reclamation and militarization in the South China Sea.

“You know … being chair, our main task was to produce a joint communiqué that all Asean members would sign regardless of differences in position,” Abella said.

“And we did that. And we do hope that all our future Asean building efforts reach full fruition especially for the November summit,” he said.

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Read more: http://globalnation.inquirer.net/159623/palace-not-chinas-spokesman#ixzz4pXEc3td0
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Re: Duterte approach on China
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2019, 03:00:17 PM »
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PRRD may ‘educate’ public on deal with Xi in SONA
July 9, 2019, 10:21 am

MANILA -- President Rodrigo Duterte on Monday said he may educate the public on the constitutionality of his fishing agreement with Chinese President Xi Jinping during his fourth State of the Nation Address (SONA) on July 22.

The October 2016 agreement between Duterte and Xi allows the Chinese to fish within the Philippines’ 200-nautical mile exclusive economic zone (EEZ), for as long as China will allow Filipinos to fish in the Panatag (Scarborough) Shoal.

https://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1074409

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Re: Duterte approach on China
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2019, 05:13:29 AM »
https://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1075000

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Diplomatic talks still ‘best’ option to resolve WPS dispute
July 15, 2019, 8:18 pm

According to Panelo, Duterte, a lawyer, has been studying these options even before he was elected as President.

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Among Carpio’s suggestions to enforce the arbitral ruling is for the Philippines to encourage the Freedom of Navigation and Overflight Operations of the U.S., U.K., France, Australia, Japan, Indian, and Canada in the South China Sea, including the West Philippine Sea; and send on patrol its 10 new 44-meter multi-role response vessels donated by Japan for the use of the Philippine Coast Guard.

Panelo, however, said the government has and continues to consider these as options.

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Carpio’s other suggestions to enforce the Permanent Court of Arbitration’s verdict are:

• The Philippines may enter into a Convention with Vietnam, Malaysia and Indonesia declaring that no geologic feature in the Spratly’s generates an Exclusive Economic Zone and there are only territorial seas from geologic features that are above water at high-tide,
• The Philippines may file an extended continental shelf claim in the West Philippine Sea beyond the 200-nautical mile Exclusive Economic Zone off the coast of Luzon, where China is the only opposite coastal state,
• The Philippines may send its own Navy to join the Freedom of Navigation and Overflight Operations to assert that there is an EEZ in the WPS,
• The Philippines may support private sector initiatives to enforce the arbitral award. (PNA)

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Re: Duterte approach on China
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2019, 12:04:00 AM »
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1158910.shtml

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China-Philippines ties a model for cooperation
Published: 2019/7/23 21:23:40

Why did Duterte persist in acting in a peaceful, cooperative and restrained way in the South China Sea despite some domestic criticism and US instigation? Because Duterte has realized that putting disputes aside and seeking cooperation with China brings most benefits to his country. Through cooperative development, China and the Philippines are making an effort to ease tensions in the region and explore a new path of regional cooperation.

Some countries concerned, even countries outside the region, are very sensitive about China's movements in the South China Sea. These countries over-interpret China's decisions, accuse China of "bullying," and even sow dissension among countries in the region to benefit from it. But if these countries really hope for peace and stability in the South China Sea, they should focus on joint development rather than hyping the South China Sea issue and badmouthing China.

Take the joint development between China and the Philippines. The two countries released a joint statement in 2018, in which they said, "Both sides agree to exercise self-restraint in the conduct of activities in the South China Sea that would complicate or escalate disputes and affect peace and stability." The two leaders also signed 29 agreements and MOUs, including an MOU on oil and gas development cooperation.

For the Philippines, a country that used to rely heavily on oil imports, such a joint development with China in the South China Sea not only eases Manila's pressure of imports, but also reduces its over-reliance on the international energy market. Such cooperation also improves the Philippines' energy structure and will greatly benefit the country in the long run. Instead of struggling with disputes, doesn't such win-win cooperation bring greater advantage to both sides?

See also: State of the Nation Address (SONA) 2019


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Re: Duterte approach on China
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2019, 12:21:40 AM »
See also:
* Chinese maritime militia: What can the Philippines do?
* PHL not informed of Chinese warship sail-by in Sibutu

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Philippines protests China's moves in Sibutu Strait, Pag-asa Island
Posted at Jul 31 2019 01:01 PM | Updated as of Jul 31 2019 03:31 PM

MANILA -- The Philippines filed diplomatic protests against China over two incidents in disputed waters, President Rodrigo Duterte's chief security adviser said Wednesday.

https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/07/31/19/philippines-protests-chinas-moves-in-sibutu-strait-pag-asa-island


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Re: Duterte approach on China
« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2019, 08:06:30 PM »
https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/08/06/19/duterte-to-invoke-ph-arbitral-win-in-china-visit-this-august

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'The time has come': Duterte to invoke PH arbitral win in fifth China visit
Posted at Aug 06 2019 01:19 PM | Updated as of Aug 06 2019 03:24 PM

MANILA (UPDATE) - President Rodrigo Duterte will finally raise Manila’s 2016 arbitral victory, which invalidated Beijing’s sweeping maritime claims, when he visits China for the fifth time later this month.

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The President is also interested in pursuing a 60-40 sharing deal with China once the proposed joint oil exploration in the West Philippine Sea begins, Panelo said.

Duterte has repeatedly faced criticism in the past for refusing to invoke the Philippines' victory which was handed down at the start of his term.

During his fourth State of the Nation Address, President Duterte promised Filipinos that the government would stand up for the Philippines’ rights in the West Philippine Sea in “due time" or once the oil exploration with China begins.

"The West Philippine Sea is ours, no ifs and buts...We have to temper it with the times and the realities we face today," Duterte said in his fourth SONA.

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https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2019/08/06/1941085/time-has-come-duterte-raise-arbitral-ruling-xi

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2016 ruling

In July 2016, the United Nations-backed tribunal ruled in favor of the Philippines, invalidating China's nine-dash line claim over the South China Sea, including the West Philippine Sea.

The arbitral tribunal also concluded that Beijing violated its commitment under the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea upon building artificial islands within Philippine exclusive economic zone.

Asked why the president has suddenly decided to invoke the Philippines' arbitral victory, Panelo said Duterte's term is coming to an end.

This declaration from the Duterte administration comes three years after the landmark ruling was issued and halfway into the president' term.

In previous speeches, Duterte said Xi had warned him that there would be "trouble" if the Philippines will dig for oil in the West Philippine Sea, which China also claims.

See also:
* Award: PCA Case No. 2013-19 -- the Philippines vs. China
* Philippine protests against China under Duterte
* Duterte insists West PH Sea et. al. belong to PH
* PH to assert sea rights through friendly talks with China
* Diplomatic talks still ‘best’ option to resolve WPS dispute


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Re: Duterte approach on China
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2019, 02:33:01 AM »
https://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1078970

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Duterte leaves for 5th China visit
August 28, 2019, 9:07 pm

According to a Palace statement, Duterte will meet with Xi in Beijing “to take stock of developments in bilateral relations and in the region”.

“The Leaders are expected to exchange views on further deepening and broadening bilateral engagement in areas of interest to both countries, such as defense and security, infrastructure and development cooperation, and energy, in order to strengthen the Philippines’ and China's Comprehensive Strategic Cooperation,” it added.

Malacañang also bared that several key agreements are expected to be signed during Duterte’s five-day visit.

“Duterte is expected to grace a dinner banquet to be hosted by Xi,” the statement read.

See also: Duterte confirms he will raise arbitral ruling in next China visit