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Re: Another batch of Combat Utility Helicopters
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2017, 03:50:40 AM »
The SARO did not identify the specific model selected. But in the recent past, the PAF acquired the W-3 Sokol and Bell 412 for its CUH requirements.

From: http://www.dbm.gov.ph/wp-content/uploads/SARO/2017/SARO%20RELEASES%20AS%20OF%20DECEMBER%2022,%202017.pdf



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Re: Another batch of Combat Utility Helicopters
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2018, 12:11:19 PM »
considering that W-3 Sokol is an unloved child, will it be safe to conclude that we are going for Bell 412?  ::)
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Re: Another batch of Combat Utility Helicopters
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2018, 02:14:40 PM »
It’s never over till the fat lady sings. Remember all the “sure things” that went nowhere? :)

Let’s see how this REALLY turns out.

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Re: Another batch of Combat Utility Helicopters
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2018, 03:28:33 PM »
indeed, nothing is sure until the rubber hits the runway
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Re: Another batch of Combat Utility Helicopters
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2018, 08:15:18 AM »
Atty Elefante and three Air Force officers were in Canada a month ago to inspect the facility of Bell..

my bet is Bell 412 same model as previously delivered..

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Re: Another batch of Combat Utility Helicopters
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2018, 11:09:40 AM »
Atty Elefante and three Air Force officers were in Canada a month ago to inspect the facility of Bell..

my bet is Bell 412 same model as previously delivered..

That would be a reasonable assumption.  :)

Just the same, just putting this here

While collecting data for the KUH-1 Surion thread (see here), I put together publicly available information about existing PAF helicopters that it would be competing against.

Both the W-3 Sokol and Bell 412 had readily available spec sheets. So these were assembled first. The resulting data is . . . interesting food for thought. See below.

References

Bell 412: http://www.bellhelicopter.com/commercial/bell-412ep

W-3: http://www.pzl.swidnik.pl/en/w-3a/0,-l,15,202



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Re: Another batch of Combat Utility Helicopters
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2018, 02:18:47 PM »
What happened to the Attach Helis project being promised by Pres. Du30? any specs on that one?

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Re: Another batch of Combat Utility Helicopters
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2018, 02:22:45 PM »
What happened to the Attach Helis project being promised by Pres. Du30? any specs on that one?

Discuss that here:

http://defenseph.net/drp/index.php?topic=2712.0

Responsible disclosures will be posted whe available.

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Re: Another batch of Combat Utility Helicopters
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2018, 09:52:00 PM »
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Philippines signs for 16 412EPI helos

Gareth Jennings, London - Jane's Defence Weekly
06 February 2018
   
The Philippine Department of National Defense (DND) has signed for 16 new Bell 412EPI medium-lift helicopters to be operated by the country’s air force.

Under the contract, which was announced by the manufacturer on 6 February, the helicopters will be delivered fully configured for the roles of disaster relief, search and rescue, passenger transport, and utility transport.

As noted by Bell, the helicopters were purchased by the DND through a government-to-government contract with the Canadian Commercial Corporation (CCC). Neither a contract value nor a delivery schedule was disclosed.

The Philippine Air Force (PAF) already fields earlier-model Bell 412EP platforms that it ordered in March 2014, as well as 412HP platforms from 1994. The 412EPI improves on both of these earlier models in that it features the Bell BasiX Pro fully integrated 'glass' flight deck. The avionics suite also includes high-resolution digital maps, electronic charts and approach plates, Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast transponder, optional Helicopter Terrain Avoidance Warning System, and XM satellite links.

As well as the BasiX Pro flight deck, the 412EPI also features the Pratt & Whitney PT6T-9 Twin Pac engines, which are 15% more powerful. When combined with the BLR Aerospace Dual Tailboom Strakes and FastFin System, this extra power increases the helicopter’s ‘hot and high’ lifting capacity by as much as 1,410 lb (640 kg), according to Bell.


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Re: Another batch of Combat Utility Helicopters
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2018, 02:04:23 AM »
Philippines signs $233-M helicopter deal with Canada
Reuters
Posted at Feb 06 2018 08:37 PM

http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/02/06/18/philippines-signs-233-m-helicopter-deal-with-canada

MANILA - The Philippines signed a deal with Canada on Tuesday to buy 16 combat utility helicopters worth $233.36 million, as the military prepared to step up operations against Islamist and communist rebels.

The Bell 412EPI helicopters will be delivered early next year as President Rodrigo Duterte re-focuses the armed forces modernization program to tackle growing domestic threats as Maoist fighters and pro-Islamic State extremists try to regroup.

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The helicopters would replace the second-hand Vietnam War-era UH-1H Huey rotary aircraft, the workhorse of the Philippine Air Force. The Philippines acquired those from the United States.

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Feds order review of controversial helicopter deal with the Philippines
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2018, 09:33:25 AM »
Feds order review of controversial helicopter deal with the Philippines
By The Canadian Press

https://globalnews.ca/news/4011934/feds-order-review-of-controversial-helicopter-deal-with-the-philippines/

OTTAWA – International Trade Minister Francois-Philippe Champagne is ordering a review of the planned sale of 16 helicopters to the Philippine military amid concerns about the country’s human rights record.

Government officials initially defended the deal, which is being facilitated by the Canadian Commercial Corp., saying the helicopters would be used for search-and-rescue missions and disaster relief.

But Champagne says he ordered a review following comments from a senior member of the Philippine military that the Montreal-made aircraft would be used for internal security operations.

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Re: Another batch of Combat Utility Helicopters
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2018, 02:28:15 PM »
sometimes, i agree with Du30 on his independent foreign policy.

why do they need to dictate on how to use the helicopters when they are not the ones who paid for it.

freakin dicks***!

We bought it because we deem it fit to use on whatever scenarios that will threatened our national security..

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Re: Another batch of Combat Utility Helicopters
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2018, 02:28:07 AM »
Philippines' Duterte cancels Canada Bell helicopter deal
February 9, 2018 4 HOURS AGO

http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/philippines-duterte-cancels-canada-bell-helicopter-deal

DAVAO, Philippines (AFP) - Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte on Friday (Feb 9) abruptly cancelled a US$235 million (S$312 million) contract to buy 16 helicopters from Canada after Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's government ordered a review over human rights concerns.

"I want to tell the armed forces to cut the deal. Do not proceed anymore, and somehow we will look for another supplier," he said of the deal for 16 Bell 412EPI utility helicopters announced by the two governments this week.

Ottawa said on Thursday that the deal was under review due to concerns over the human rights record of Duterte, the subject of a complaint in the International Criminal Court over the alleged "mass murder" of thousands of Filipino drug suspects.

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Re: Another batch of Combat Utility Helicopters
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2018, 02:50:39 AM »
Many suppliers can meet PH demand for new helis: DND chief
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http://ptvnews.ph/many-suppliers-can-meet-ph-demand-new-helis-dnd-chief/

MANILA — There are more than enough suppliers to provide the Philippine requirement for combat utility helicopters (CUHs) should the country’s contract with Bell Helicopter and Canadian Commercial Corp. (CCC) fall through.

“Are there other suppliers if the Canada deal will not push through? Yes, there are,” Department of National Defense (DND) Secretary Delfin Lorenzana said in a message Friday night.

He, however, did not mention these possible suppliers.

Lorenzana made the statement in the wake of President Rodrigo R. Duterte’s order to the military to cancel the PHP12-billion contract for the 16 Bell 412 EPIs following reports that Canada would review the purchase of the aircraft on the grounds that they might be used in operations against rebel groups.

As of Friday night, Lorenzana said he has yet to receive any order regarding the President’s directive.

“I have not heard about cancelling. As of now, I am optimistic that it would proceed and the choppers will be delivered on time,” the defense chief said.

Earlier, Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) deputy chief-of-staff for plans, Major Gen. Restituto Padilla, said that from the onset, both Bell Helicopter and CCC were aware that the soon-to-be acquired 16 Bell 412 EPI choppers will be utilized as “combat utility helicopters.”

“The AFP deal for the acquisition of the Canadian Bell 412 as a combat utility helicopter is a very transparent one. From the very onset, the contract has specified that we are acquiring a Combat Utility Helicopter (CUH),” Padilla added.

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On Dec. 29, 2017, Lorenzana and representatives of Bell Helicopter and CCC signed the deal for the purchase of the helicopters worth PHP12 billion.

Representing Bell Helicopter in the contract signing was James Williamson, while CCC was represented by its director for Asia, Yvonne Chin. Delivery of the first Bell 412 EPI helicopter units is expected to commence by the first quarter of 2019 while the last batch will be handed over by the second quarter of 2020.

Acquisition of these helicopters is part of the AFP Modernization Program Horizon 2 and will be used in HADR and related missions.

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