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Re: Naval Shield Integrated Combat Management System
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2017, 05:56:01 AM »
Bad news: Naval Shield ICMS baseline 2 console already being touted at MADEX 2017 for our frigates.

Good news: We're going from no CMS to a current system for the Korean and Malaysian navies.

I'll answer the 'misinterpreted IRAQ' that are posted on FB.  I tried listening to this word over and over -- and I began to understand that the presenter was talking about ships of 'ROK' navy, rather than the west Asian country.  He did used this term further around the Baseline-3 presentation.  Also at the end of this statement for Baseline two, he used a garbled term, but which I understood as 'export' and followed by the Malaysian training vessels and then the new Philippine frigate.

As noted below, most of those on the ship depicted are ROK navy classes. Plus -- MY-TRV and Philippine Frigate

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Re: Naval Shield Integrated Combat Management System
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2017, 06:43:59 AM »
Here is a pictorial summary of the evolution of the baselines of NS as showcased last year(2016).  As noted, all classes were/will be from SoKor yards. 



This one below is older, as the FFX-III design wasn't awarded yet.


Another older presentation.  Take note that this was circa STC (Samsung-Thales) era.  Also has the two-display console on foreground.


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Re: Naval Shield Integrated Combat Management System
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2017, 10:05:20 PM »
Hanwha Group to Acquire Remaining 50% Stake in Hanwha Thales
SEOUL, KOREA
28 July 2016 - 11:00am

http://businesskorea.co.kr/english/news/industry/15374-thales%E2%80%99-decision-hanwha-group-acquire-remaining-50-stake-hanwha-thales

Thales Group, a French multinational aerospace and defense company, has decided to sell its 50 percent stake in Hanwha Thales to Hanwha Group.

When Samsung sold its defense unit to Hanwha last year, Thales and Hanwha signed a put/call option agreement for Thales' 50 percent share in Hanwha Thales, former Samsung Thales. Under the agreement, Thales has a put option that allows it the right to sell its 50 percent stake to Hanwha one year after Hanwha Group completes the acquisition process, while Hanwha is given a call option to buy the shares.

Accordingly, Thales has had the right to exercise the put option for 40 days from June 29 to August 7 and Thales officially notified Hanwha of the sale of all of its shares, amounting to 50%, at the price of 288 billion won (US$253.86 million).

Hanwha Thales is the nation’s first defense joint venture established in 2000 by Samsung Electronics’ defense unit and France’s Thales with the stake ratio of 50:50. The joint venture has grown with research and development in advanced defense electronics products, such as radar, command and control and communications and command and control.

Hanwha Group plans to accept Thales’ decision and continuously maintain and expand the partnership between the two companies, although the joint venture will be wholly owned by Hanwha.

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In Thales words

https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/countries/asia-pacific/republic-korea


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Re: Naval Shield Integrated Combat Management System
« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2017, 11:40:40 AM »
FFX I layout



The specific version for Malaysia is Baseline 2.2
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Re: Naval Shield Integrated Combat Management System
« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2017, 12:04:25 PM »
Console specs (probably outdated as the one seen recently appears to have an updated design, but a good reference).

http://www.stxengine.co.kr/biz/elect_war02.aspx


http://www.stxengine.co.kr/biz/elect_war01.aspx
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Re: Naval Shield Integrated Combat Management System
« Reply #20 on: December 26, 2017, 02:11:48 PM »
Interestingly, the dissolution of the Samsung-Thales entity ended after the second Samsung-Thales equipped Incheon class frigate was launched.

Could this mean that the intent -- all along -- was for South Korea to develop its own CMS with Thales as the knowledge-transfer source, and that the necessary knowledge had indeed already been transferred?

How much of Tacticos actually lives on in Naval Shield?

From: http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/132-republic-of-korea-navy-vessels-ships-and-equipment/rok-navy-frigates-a-destroyers/1184-incheon-class-frigate-ffx-republic-of-korea-rok-navy-gyeonggi-hyundai-heavy-industries-hhi-dsme-south-korea-datasheet-pictures-photos-video-specifications.html

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Re: Naval Shield - Ultra awarded contract to install MIDS JTRS LINK-16 by ROKN
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2018, 09:13:22 PM »
Ultra awarded contract to deliver MDLMS to three destroyers of the Republic of Korea Navy


05/04/17

https://www.ultra-ats.com/latest-news/ultra-awarded-contract-to-deliver-mdlms-to-three-destroyers-of-the-republic-of-korea-navy/


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  Ultra Electronics Advanced Tactical Systems (ATS) was recently awarded a contract to deliver Ultra’s Multi Data Link Management System (MDLMS) to three destroyers for the Republic of Korea Navy. The MDLMS provide the ability to communicate tactical information over a secure, jam-resistant data link using the latest Multifunctional Information Distribution System Joint Tactical Radio System (MIDS JTRS) terminals.

In partnership with Hanwha Systems Co. and supporting the Republic of Korea Defence Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA), the modernization of these destroyers will go through full standards conformance testing of its new Link 16 suite. MDLMS will provide the Republic of Korea Navy with enhanced interoperability with United States Navy maritime and airborne platforms via its certified gateway using the same router installed in Ultra’s flagship product; the Air Defense Systems Integrator (ADSI)®.

Upon successful completion of this program, up to six additional destroyers are planned to be upgraded.

Tim Stanley, ATS President, stated:

“I am pleased to be partnering Hanwha Systems and look forward to continuing our work with the Republic of Korea. This contract underscores our continuing growth and expanding relationships with international partners to bring state of the art Command and Control, sensor correlation and certified datalink gateway functionality into the battlespace.”
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Re: Naval Shield - Ultra awarded contract to install MIDS JTRS LINK-16 by ROKN
« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2018, 08:03:29 PM »
05/04/17

the modernization of these destroyers will go through full standards conformance testing of its new Link 16 suite. MDLMS will provide the Republic of Korea Navy with enhanced interoperability with United States Navy maritime and airborne platforms via its certified gateway using the same router installed in Ultra’s flagship product; the Air Defense Systems Integrator (ADSI)®.

^ Nice find, Sir M. ;)

01/23/2017

Tacticos CMS is also compatible with the TDL 16 requirement of the AFP, while Hanwha’s Naval Shield ICMS compatibility with TDL 16 is still under development phase but could not be operational by 2019

^ I wonder where Ultra Electronics and Hanwa Systems Co. are with the upgrades. What are the chances that the compatibility of Naval Shield ICMS with TDL 16 will be operational sooner than expected?
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Re: Naval Shield Integrated Combat Management System
« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2018, 07:04:36 PM »

^ I wonder where Ultra Electronics and Hanwa Systems Co. are with the upgrades. What are the chances that the compatibility of Naval Shield ICMS with TDL 16 will be operational sooner than expected?

The wording doesn't seem really feasible now given that the destroyers being upgraded are KDX Flight I or one of the first supposed recipients of the Naval Shield system... from 1998.

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Re: Naval Shield Integrated Combat Management System
« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2018, 07:21:43 AM »
Senate hearing on alleged irregularities in the frigate acquisition program | Feb. 19, 2018

https://youtu.be/yLJW6wdfffQ


I’m still a little more than half-way through the video. But finished enough to get through Trillanes’ part. The similarity of the data to certain social media leaks is interesting.

The letter from Thales disavowing involvement in Naval Shield is notable. Now we know where use of the term “Baseline zero” came from. The letter, however, only pointed out at what point Thales and Samsung (now Hanwha) diverged. Naturally, Thales can only comment on the state of the partnership to that point.

However . . . observers who were privy to that document, to include Trillanes, appear to be making the assumption that DAPA, and consequently Samsung (Hanwha), would stop development of Naval Shield at the point of the split. Given that development of a national CMS was identified as a national priority, cessation of development of a CMS — that a tier-one navy is already using for its own survival  — is a stretch.

What remains unclear in all of this, and I’ve been asking this from day one of this fracas, is how much of the Thales-Samsung CMS lives on in Naval Shield?

Did South Korea replicate Thales’ secret sauce fast enough that the Thales-Samsung partnership was deemed redundant? Sadly, DAPA / Hanwha won’t be talking about how good or bad their system is.


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Re: Naval Shield Integrated Combat Management System
« Reply #25 on: February 23, 2018, 07:22:46 AM »
"Hanwha still has to develop a Link-16 system..."

Dead giveaway that even the good admiral has been misinformed about TADIL(now just TDL) Link-16. The Koreans need not develop a Link-16 hardware component because it isn't there's to develop, they are not allowed to. Link-16 networks are controlled entirely by the US-based MIDS International Program Office, an office in the Pentagon controlled by the USN and a French officer typically, well... them and the original partner NATO countries.

The program office controls ALL work. Literally ALL WORK.

For example: When the PAF wanted to interface with Link-16, they asked for permission from the office and sent them a requirement for MIDS LVT hardware to be installed into the FA-50s. The IPO worked the request, and got approval from the partner nations on our behalf. They then drafted our requirements into an RFI and got quotes, then picked a contractor for us. The work is stamped a form of high-security FMS, with very specific conditions and restrictions.

The program office chosen contractor then flew to Korea to install the datalink kit into our FA-50s, with some assistance from DAPA and KAI.

Literally at no point in the decision making or hardware process were the Koreans or the Philippines ever involved. None. We were just there to receive the airplanes with the radios and terminals already installed. This is what I've been trying to get everyone to understand.

Naval Shield DOES NOT MATTER, because the Koreans do not have direct access to the TDL hardware... like Canada, Australia, Japan, UAE, Saudi Arabia... the list goes on of richer, more technologically capable countries who are simply at the mercy of the Program Office.


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Re: Naval Shield Integrated Combat Management System
« Reply #26 on: April 02, 2018, 05:06:52 AM »
From SND Lorenzana's rebuttal to an open letter published on a national daily.

Is the NSICMS a proven system? The PQ Team, when it post-qualified Hyundai, went aboard ROKS Jeonbuk (FFG 813), one of the most modern frigates of the Republic of Korea Navy commissioned in May 2015, which was the basis for the design of the PN frigates. The PQ Team observed that most subsystems installed onboard the vessel are locally made (indigenous products) by South Korea such as C-Star Missile by LIG Nex1, Main and Auxiliary Engines by STX-MTU and more importantly, the Naval Shield Integrated Combat Management System (NSICMS) by Hanwha. This validates that the NSICMS is indeed a proven design.   As a matter of fact, NSICMS has been installed in ROKS Daegu (FFG-818), the newest ROKN ship commissioned into service last 18 February 2018.

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Re: Naval Shield Integrated Combat Management System
« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2018, 11:32:12 AM »
DSA 2018: Hanwha defends with Naval Shield CMS
19th April 2018 - 00:30 GMT | by Gordon Arthur in Kuala Lumpur

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/digital-battlespace/dsa-2018-hanwha-defends-naval-shield-cms/

Hanwha Systems displayed a mock-up of a triple-display console for its combat management system (CMS), which it generically calls Naval Shield, at the DSA 2018 exhibition in Kuala Lumpur.

The carbon fibre console features multifunction displays, and the first warship class it will be installed on is FFX Batch III frigates for the Republic of Korea Navy (ROKN). Each frigate will have ten such consoles in its combat information centre.

The latest Naval Shield CMS iteration is called Baseline III. The future Baseline IV will incorporate wider functions such as engine propulsion and communications.

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The CMS to be installed on the two frigates for the Philippine Navy (PN) will be of Baseline II configuration, Kyungryung Kim, chief engineer of Hanwha Systems’ surface system team of the naval R&D centre, told Shephard.

He acknowledged the acerbic debate going on in the Philippines about the choice of CMS for the warships to be constructed by Hyundai Heavy Industries.

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Kim said that the Baseline II configuration – which is the most common format in the ROKN and is found on such warships as the FFX Batch II – is the best for the Philippines.

He explained that this is because it will receive more efficient through-life support since it is of the same type fielded by the ROKN. He described it as a ‘sensible’ solution for the Philippines.

The CMS for the Philippines offers sensor and weapon control; threat evaluation, target designation and warfare; real-time tactical information processing and display; radar/TV video distribution and recording; Link 11 data link control; simultaneous tactical and training mode operations; and interface analysis.

Interestingly, Hanwha’s Naval Shield was originally created using principles and knowledge of the Thales TACTICOS system.

The first steel cutting on the initial frigate for the Philippines is scheduled to take place in July, Kim revealed. This frigate should be delivered to the PN before the end of 2019.

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Re: Naval Shield Integrated Combat Management System
« Reply #28 on: May 13, 2018, 12:37:40 PM »
Hanwha Systems unveils naval combat management system in Malaysia
2018/04/15 19:32

http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/search1/2603000000.html?cid=AEN20180416004100320

SEOUL, April 16 (Yonhap) -- Hanwha Systems, a South Korean solution provider for defense electronics, said Monday that it has unveiled its naval combat management system at a defense and security exhibition in Malaysia.

The company said it will ramp its sales pitch for its system at the Defence Services Asia Exhibition and Conference that runs from Monday through Thursday at Malaysia International Trade and Exhibition Center in Kuala Lumpur.

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