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Ayoshi

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https://globalnation.inquirer.net/182559/boeing-pitch-to-ph-military-get-apache-stop-being-pushed-around-in-wps

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Boeing pitch to PH military: Get Apache, stop being ‘pushed around’ in WPS
INQUIRER.net / 06:41 PM December 19, 2019

Boeing is offering its Chinook CH-47F and Apache AH-64E helicopters to the Philippine military

The two choppers, he said, are known for their capability and interoperability advantages.

“The biggest advantage — who would not want this?” said Brostrom.

“Its interoperability with all your partners, not just with the United States, look at all the people flying it in Asia. Why wouldn’t you want to have this capability to help your own people?” he said.

Boeing boasts of the Apache AH-64E as the most advanced, multi-mission attack helicopter of the US military and at least 15 other armed forces in the world.

The Apache, a daunting piece of military hardware, has a maximum cruise speed of over 284 kilometers per hour and can be armed with 16 Hellfire missiles, 30 mm auto cannon and 2.75 inch rockets.

As an added pitch, Brostrom said the Apache would be ideal for maritime operations in the West Philippine Sea, where the Philippines is disputing territory with China, a military power in Asia.

The Apache also features manned-unmanned teaming (MUM-T) technology which allows pilot control of unmanned features of the helicopter system.

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Re: Boeing is offering its Chinook CH-47F & Apache AH-64E helicopters to PHL ?
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2019, 11:33:24 PM »
Boeing pitch to PH military: Get Apache, stop being ‘pushed around’ in WPS
Dec 19, 2019
INQUIRER.net
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American aircraft manufacturer Boeing, reeling from its biggest crisis over its 737 Max planes, is making a pitch for some of its most advanced military aircraft to the Philippine government.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZSCcGvVQtY


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Photo taken from businessinsider.com

https://www.janes.com/article/89509/us-army-conducts-operational-testing-of-version-6-configuration-ah-64e-apaches


The US Army plans to field 491 Version 6 AH-64E Apaches out of a total force of 691 helicopters. A Version 6 helicopter is seen here conducting operational trials at Fort Hood in June. Source: US Army


horge

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Re: Boeing is offering its Chinook CH-47F & Apache AH-64E helicopters to PHL ?
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2019, 07:56:15 AM »
I'm posting to this thread because the other one has a borderline-cancerous title.

I think it's way overdue for the vendor to flog the Chinook.

Awhile back I was posting to a thread that was comparing the Romeo 'hawk to the Hip as potential acquisitions,
and I pointed out that it was apples to oranges: that a better matchup was Hip vs. Chinook, and that even with
the payload-class advantage, Hip was a truly retarded choice compared to the 'hawk.
http://defenseph.net/drp/index.php?topic=4115.msg13448#msg13448

Heavy-lift rotary wing is sorely needed in a country with our geography, whether we're talking about HADR or
frontier infrastructure... never mind .mil administrative/tactical movements of men and materiel.

PH is fortunate that Boeing needs to shore up its bottom line, which in turn relaxes the normal objections that
the US State Department (+ others) would have over transfers of .mil hardware to us --I'm sure everyone here
has had ample exposure to the sort of horseshit that the DSCA regularly plasters on ("...the proposed sale of
xxxxxxxxx and support will not alter the basic military balance in the region"
ad absurdum) whenever the current
US administration DOESN'T want to transfer .mil goods/services to a supposed MNNA like us.

That said, it costs next to nothing for Boeing to use the press like this, to stoke Boeing shareholders.
It would, however, cost a fortune for PH acquire Chinook.

Depending on scale of purchase: about US$40M each with sides & a soda, but CPFH is a reasonable US$6,900-ish
when loaned/extended (US 2018) as a billable to friendlies in need, and DCPFH is only about US$4,600 (RAF 2018)
--the latter is cost independent of cross-system expenses, such as will bloat the taxpayer-billable operating costs
of the aircraft for a HIGHLY cross-networked operator like the US Army.

CH-47 DCPFH can be cheaper than MH-60x, partly for lugging fewer systems, and the 'hawk (as I'd pointed out in
the prior thread) actually comes out cheaper, and more importantly, massively more reliable than Hip. Its potential
for cross-country electoral campaigning is undeniable, and might help push it through both Houses of Congress (if
OOP even wants to go through Congress --OOP annual discretionary is more than enough) far more easily than
the other bird Boeing is pimping in that article...

I really, really don't like Apache for the Philippines, though.
I think I might dislike it even more than Hip, and not for any lack of performance/capability.
JM2, YMMV, TANSTAAFL.


https://comptroller.defense.gov/Portals/45/documents/rates/fy2018/2018_b_c.pdf
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/osprey-vs-chinook-cost-vs-capabilities/

for a quick dip into the nuances of arriving at CPFH:
https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a423135.pdf
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