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WHO'S WHO IS AFP MODERNIZATION?
« on: December 27, 2017, 03:30:42 PM »
Hey guys,

I just read this https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/955512/afp-modernization-2017-marawi-game-changers-in-spotlight and if you read the comments of readers below the artilce, it praises PNoy as the one who modernize the AFP.

I thought of that too until this http://defenseph.net/drp/index.php?topic=2712.msg8411#msg8411. Now, I am not discrediting adroth for i know that he and you guys in the forum know more about the AFP "here and there," including modernization.

the way i see it, it looks like GMA (and even FVR) started the modernization (by ordering it) but PNoy got the glory (when they got delivered), or PNoy started it (ordering it) and DU30 got the glory (when they got delivered).etc etc.

it makes me wonder WHO (or which) president DID modernize the AFP? from FVR to DU30. and Marcos? well that's too long ago. never mind FM's time.

like, WHO REALLY got us the FA-50's (DU30 disliked it but who ordered it?). the ceremonial jet (per DU30) that did well in marawi

the MPAC - i didn't even know it's made in the Phil?

the AIM-9/Mavericks - its about time we got AAM/AGM's

the SPIKE ER - wow! wished they got it for the WHEC'S too,

the BRP tarlac -  never thought this would come

the 2nd/3rd WHEC (delivered during PNoy's time) and may be we can get the 4 more available in the USA,

the peacocks (delivered in GMA's time. donated or ordered, which one?),

the cyclone cl ship (wished we have more of these),

TC-90, cessna 208's  (delivered during DU3-'s time)

etc etc?

a lot where delivered in PNoy's time (thats why I thouht he did it) and then too at DU30's time (but did he really do it?). so, WHO really did what?

i know DU30 said something about 24 attack helos (i guess this is his order and delivery?)

may be some member(s) on this forum can list WHO'S WHO in the AFP modernization.

I heard the tucanos from brazil is coming and may be cobra helos from Jordan could be too. eurocopter for the PCG air and the augusta ASW helo for the PN air grp is also in the works. and yes the pohang, incheon and may be even the gripen. did PNoy ordered it all but will be delivered in DU30's time? or we can go as far to FVR?

I think these commentors from the recent inquirer article are just mis-informed or what; as compared to commentors from the forum who are members of the AFP (some) and non AFP guys who are very familiar what's happening "behind closed doors" in the AFP itself.

As for me, I'm just one member of this forum who knows whats goin on in the AFP based on what I read from the forum . . . and gets confused when I read comments from inquirer or other similar media out there saying otherwise. yes, even reading it from wikipedia.

Just want to know your comments on this subject. Bilib me i enjoy reading them in the forum - and borrowing from inquirer's motto - its balance and fearless news; (well, comments).

yeah, i read this one too http://defenseph.net/drp/index.php?topic=108.0

Adroth, no offense. i've always respected your comments . . . and help. hope you dont mind me opening this article . . . again.

God bless . . .
« Last Edit: December 27, 2017, 03:35:00 PM by bat21 »

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Re: WHO'S WHO IS AFP MODERNIZATION?
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2017, 05:02:34 PM »
The various Presidents allowed the AFP to implement the plans that they've drafted and maintained since 1995

http://adroth.ph/flashback-the-afps-modernization-plans-in-1995/


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Re: WHO'S WHO IS AFP MODERNIZATION?
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2017, 08:04:14 PM »


when PNoy said "no one can surpass my accomplishments," i really did thought he was referring to these acquisitions.

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Re: WHO'S WHO IS AFP MODERNIZATION?
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2017, 08:50:09 AM »
well another source here:
https://rhk111smilitaryandarmspage.wordpress.com/2014/05/20/philippine-arms-procurement-summary-1950-2014/

RHK is the village idiot of Timawa and a PNoy fanboi. Heck, even Max calls him a yellow.

Take his posts with blocks of salt. As much time as he spends reseaching his posts, he get a lot foundational items flat out wrong.



when PNoy said "no one can surpass my accomplishments," i really did thought he was referring to these acquisitions.

The Tarlac class was originally the Arroyo-era Multi-Role Vessel (MRV). The the SSV used to be the name of another Arroyo-era project based on a second-hand Ro-Ro project that fell through. PNoy repurposed it. Note the Arroyo-lineage isnít just about name. Selection of the Makassar

For Army-related projects credit belongs to the Army. Of the three services, they are the most organized and are running updated plays that go back to the Ramos admin and were just waiting for funds that were made possible by Malampaya ó which in turn was made possible because the Arroyo-era DND figured out the red tape for funds access.

To be fair PNoy does deserve credit for something: the current Frigate acquisition frackas. By cancelling the Maestrale project, it deprived the PN of the opportunity to learn to operate more advanced naval systems like CMS et. al. BEFORE trying to design a frigate from scratch. The PN had no experience writing specs for systems this complicated and hadnít found the middle between generic requirements and specifying specific systemss (which isnít allowed by the law).


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Re: WHO'S WHO IS AFP MODERNIZATION?
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2017, 04:21:14 PM »
this should be part of the modernization. but do we have MISTRAL SAMs? some say the phl govt cant deny nor confirm its existence. it said to be deployed somewhere in NCR. Some say we also have the BLOWPIPE missile. long time ago i read in a phil almanac he had HAWKs SAMs but then i found out it was US/RP cooperation. when the US left, so did the HAWKs. since then, so i thought, we didn't have any SAM defenses . . . until i read about the MISTRALs and the BLOWPIPE. as per wikipedia (i know its not reliable), we have MISTRALS.

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« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2017, 05:22:36 PM »
this should be part of the modernization. but do we have MISTRAL SAMs? some say the phl govt cant deny nor confirm its existence. it said to be deployed somewhere in NCR.

This was pre-Arroyo and came about as a result of the 1989 coup. The missiles are reportedly in the custody of the PSG.

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Some say we also have the BLOWPIPE missile.

There was photo of Marcos operating a Blowpipe on a PN boat. But it is unclear if that was simply for demonstration purposes.


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Re: WHO'S WHO IS AFP MODERNIZATION?
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2017, 05:33:39 PM »
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This was pre-Arroyo and came about as a result of the 1989 coup. The missiles are reportedly in the custody of the PSG.

so we have SAMs. i think i remember the marcos photo on the blowpipe. how about the new gatling gun we got Adroth? Du30 or PNoy got it for us? idk how many were delivered. thank u. God bless . . .

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« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2017, 09:54:40 PM »
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This was pre-Arroyo and came about as a result of the 1989 coup. The missiles are reportedly in the custody of the PSG.

so we have SAMs. i think i remember the marcos photo on the blowpipe. how about the new gatling gun we got Adroth? Du30 or PNoy got it for us? idk how many were delivered. thank u. God bless . . .

IIRC, there was a discussion in the old forum that we had an opportunity to receive gatlings during the Cory administration but it was given without the proper preparation. One anecdote from the period claimed that our armorers were so unfamiliar with it that they decided to store the units in gun oil to make sure they didn't rust . . . along with all the electrical components . . . thus ruining them.

Another batch came during the Arroyo administration and those were actually put to good use.





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Re: WHO'S WHO IS AFP MODERNIZATION?
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2018, 05:31:34 AM »
The Tarlac class was originally the Arroyo-era Multi-Role Vessel (MRV). The the SSV used to be the name of another Arroyo-era project based on a second-hand Ro-Ro project that fell through. PNoy repurposed it. Note the Arroyo-lineage isnít just about name. Selection of the Makassar

I would even say that the LPD was from the 1995 modernization act when the PN was evaluating the Rotterdam class. The frigates from 1995 as well when the PN was evaluating the Halifax class. The AW-109's was late 70's early 80's.

Heck, majority of the horizon projects can be traced to 1995. Which is a good thing. Which means the AFP knows what it wants for what it needs. And the horizons show that recalibration is getting more effective.

In this day and age. The attitude is fail, fail fast. Look at where space x is now and how many failures they've had before a successful launch.