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Retitled: PN Corvette Acquisition Project
« on: August 23, 2019, 03:07:25 PM »
https://globalnation.inquirer.net/179257/philippines-to-buy-two-new-corvettes-from-south-korea

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Philippines to buy two new corvettes from South Korea
Inquirer.net / 11:58 AM August 23, 2019

At a proposed budget of P14 billion each, the corvettes would be more expensive than the anticipated missile-capable warships.

The scheme of procurement to acquire the corvettes would likely be government-to-government (G2G).

“The Philippine Navy recommends a G2G mode. We are still going through the procurement process,” Lorenzana said. 

Duterte approved the corvette acquisition program (CAP) a few months ago, according to a memo from the Office of the President dated May 10, 2019.

The Navy presented the CAP during a command conference in Malacañang on May 7, “based on the unsolicited proposal of HHI,” read the document seen by Inquirer.net.

“The President approved the Philippine Navy’s recommendation to prioritize the acquisition of two Philippine Navy corvettes under G2G procurement with Republic of Korea, subject to compliance with relevant laws, rules and regulations,” the memo read.

The Armed Forces of the Philippines has already sent a request for the funds for the two corvettes in early August thru the Department of National Defense.

The ships will be paid through multi-year obligation authority, outside the annual funds from the AFP modernization program.
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Re: PHL to buy two new corvettes from S.Korea
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2019, 09:06:27 PM »
Hopefully no more (FFBNW) for this two new corvettes considering the price. No public document yet for the design and features, and is this a separate project from the OPV which Austal is interested in?.

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Re: PHL to buy two new corvettes from S.Korea
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2019, 11:08:38 PM »
South Korea offering to finance PHL’s P30-B corvette purchase from Hyundai
Published August 23, 2019 7:38pm

https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/news/nation/705538/south-korea-offering-to-finance-phl-s-p30-b-corvette-purchase-from-hyundai/story/

South Korea is offering to finance the Philippines' acquisition for the Navy of two modern corvettes, worth P30 billion,from Korean shipbuilder Hyudai Heavy Industries.

"Its government to government  because we're having difficulty producing the amount. The two corvettes cost P30 billion," Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana said.

"And the Korean government is willing to finance it and we'll pay it through the years, maybe five to 10 years. So its a very enticing proposal because we don't have outright money," said Lorenzana.

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Lorenzana said the deal for the corvette is still being finalized.

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"The corvette is not yet signed with Hyundai but that is what the Navy wants so the builder of the frigates and the corvettes is going to be one only, so that the systems, parts are similar, there will be inter-operability and so that if they, its easy to repair them," he added. —NB, GMA News
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Re: PHL to buy two new corvettes from S.Korea
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2019, 09:24:23 AM »
What kind of corvette will it be? The Pohang class doesn't have a direct replacement, instead it seems Korea is giving most of its duties to the PKX-A and PKX-B class of patrol ships. P30 Billion = ~$575 Milion, which is pretty steep for 2 corvettes.

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Re: PHL to buy two new corvettes from S.Korea
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2019, 11:04:09 AM »
The logical approach would be to leverage on the original JR design and have it upgraded. They would have a problem though since it would call into question what's a corvette and what's a frigate. The alternative would be a clean sheet design which they have a few on paper.

The PKX class won't fit the bill; they are too small and their mission is rather unique to SK.

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Re: PHL to buy two new corvettes from S.Korea
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2019, 12:08:21 PM »
SoKor willing to finance PH corvette acquisition program: DND
By Priam Nepomuceno  August 23, 2019, 9:29 pm

https://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1078604

SOUTH KOREAN OFFER. Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana says South Korea will finance the country's Corvette Acquisition Project (CAP), in an interview with reporters in Camp Aguinaldo on Friday (August 23, 2019). The project is part of the modernization of the Philippine Navy. (PNA photo by Joey O. Razon)

MANILA -- South Korea has offered to finance the country's Corvette Acquisition Project (CAP) that will acquire two ships as part of the efforts to modernize the Philippine Navy (PN), the Department of National Defense (DND) said Friday.

Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana said a government-to-government approach would be an advantage for the Philippines.

"(South) Korea is willing to finance muna, bayaran natin (we will pay) through the years, five to 10 years. That is a very enticing proposal dahil nga wala nga tayong outright na pera (we do not have outright funds at the moment)," Lorenzana said in an ambush interview at the AFP Commissioned Officers Club in Camp Aguinaldo, Quezon City.

The budget for the CAP, he said, is placed between PHP28 to PHP30 billion.

Lorenzana said while the country is yet to sign a contract with South Korean shipbuilder Hyundai Heavy Industries (HHI) for the two corvettes, the PN is recommending that the company be the one to construct these ships for commonality and interoperability.

"(The contract for the) corvette(s), di pa naman napirmahan sa (these have yet to be signed by) Hyundai, pero yun ang gusto ng Navy dahil para iisa lang ang gagawa ng ating frigates tsaka 'yung (but this is what the Navy wants because we only have one maker of the frigates and the) corvettes. Para yung sistema nila is pare-pareho (So that their system is the same), yung mga (the) parts, whatever, interoperability para kung may (masira), madali lang ma-repair (in case something is damaged, it is easy to repair)," he added.

The two Jose Rizal-missile frigates, which is also being constructed by HHI for PHP18 billion, including its weapon systems and munition, is expected to be delivered by next year, with the lead ship, BRP Jose Rizal (FF-150), expected by April 2020 and the second ship, BRP Antonio Luna (FF-151), by September of the same year.

When asked on how the process will take, Lorenzana said he expects it to be done as soon as possible, adding that the concerned parties are now doing the paperwork. (PNA)

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Re: PHL to buy two new corvettes from S.Korea
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2019, 06:16:29 AM »
This project is worth P30B for two corvettes. The two Jose Rizal class boats were both acquired for P15B.

http://defenseph.net/drp/index.php?topic=35.0

No more FFBNW?

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Re: PHL to buy two new corvettes from S.Korea
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2019, 08:27:16 PM »
The question is, what are the Specs for this Php30billion CAP? Armaments info that I've read from different source in other defense pages,

Armaments may include:

- Main Gun: 76mm/62 Super Rapid;
- Secondary Gun: 1 x 30mm Machine Gun System;
- 2 x 4 Surface-to-surface Missiles;
- 2 x 8 Surface-to-air Missiles;
- 2 x Triple Torpedo Launchers;
- EW Suite;
- Chaffs and Decoys

But I dont see any CIWS?, We dont know as well if they will allow AESA radar at this time but for sure, the CMS will be Hanwa Naval Shield.
Once we see the agreed specs from HHI then we can tell the capability difference with the current JRCF.

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Re: PHL to buy two new corvettes from S.Korea
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2019, 04:41:16 PM »
The question is, what are the Specs for this Php30billion CAP? Armaments info that I've read from different source in other defense pages,

Armaments may include:

- Main Gun: 76mm/62 Super Rapid;
- Secondary Gun: 1 x 30mm Machine Gun System;
- 2 x 4 Surface-to-surface Missiles;
- 2 x 8 Surface-to-air Missiles;
- 2 x Triple Torpedo Launchers;
- EW Suite;
- Chaffs and Decoys

But I dont see any CIWS?, We dont know as well if they will allow AESA radar at this time but for sure, the CMS will be Hanwa Naval Shield.
Once we see the agreed specs from HHI then we can tell the capability difference with the current JRCF.

I doubt AESA Radar will be included with this ship, at least for this one... though it's still a step in the right direction as the PN gradually builds the skill set when interfacing with modern sensors

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Re: PHL to buy two new corvettes from S.Korea
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2019, 04:23:57 PM »
The question is, what are the Specs for this Php30billion CAP? Armaments info that I've read from different source in other defense pages,

Armaments may include:

- Main Gun: 76mm/62 Super Rapid;
- Secondary Gun: 1 x 30mm Machine Gun System;
- 2 x 4 Surface-to-surface Missiles;
- 2 x 8 Surface-to-air Missiles;
- 2 x Triple Torpedo Launchers;
- EW Suite;
- Chaffs and Decoys

But I dont see any CIWS?, We dont know as well if they will allow AESA radar at this time but for sure, the CMS will be Hanwa Naval Shield.
Once we see the agreed specs from HHI then we can tell the capability difference with the current JRCF.


This also blurs the line regarding what is a frigate and what is a corvette. I remember the Ticonderoga class guided missile cruiser is built on a destroyer hull, but given a "cruiser" designation due to its greater number of VLS tubes.

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Re: PHL to buy two new corvettes from S.Korea
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2019, 12:02:07 AM »
The logical approach would be to leverage on the original JR design and have it upgraded. They would have a problem though since it would call into question what's a corvette and what's a frigate. The alternative would be a clean sheet design which they have a few on paper.

The PKX class won't fit the bill; they are too small and their mission is rather unique to SK.

These 2 new warships that SK is offering soft loans for - do they really need to be corvettes?  If we accept the premise that corvettes are supposedly smaller than frigates (although admittedly an iffy one since there doesn't seem to be a uniform criteria about what makes a type a frigate or corvette); won't that impact endurance given the smaller space for provisions and fuel?  And if PN specifies a larger size approaching JRF dimensions, why indeed shouldn't they just settle for more JRFs instead?  The PN might even want to consider building larger JRF variants since that shouldn't really affect the cost that much, (i.e. air is free; steel is cheap).


SoKor willing to finance PH corvette acquisition program: DND
By Priam Nepomuceno  August 23, 2019, 9:29 pm

https://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1078604

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"(The contract for the) corvette(s), di pa naman napirmahan sa (these have yet to be signed by) Hyundai, pero yun ang gusto ng Navy dahil para iisa lang ang gagawa ng ating frigates tsaka 'yung (but this is what the Navy wants because we only have one maker of the frigates and the) corvettes. Para yung sistema nila is pare-pareho (So that their system is the same), yung mga (the) parts, whatever, interoperability para kung may (masira), madali lang ma-repair (in case something is damaged, it is easy to repair)," he added.

Another argument for simply going for more JRFs (or larger variants thereof) is inter-operability because system commonality is almost certainly guaranteed in that case.  We could also be looking at significant savings in terms of time and money due to efficiency in HHI building the 3rd and 4th copies of the same (or variant) design rather than the 1st 2 copies of what might probably be a new corvette design.

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Re: Retitled: PN Corvette Acquisition Project
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2019, 12:40:29 AM »
Names are just names. Soviet "cruisers" were the same size as US "destroyers". Japan's latests carriers are called "destroyers".

At the end of the day, it'll be the specs that matter.

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Re: Retitled: PN Corvette Acquisition Project
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2019, 11:49:05 PM »
https://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/iq/239805-list-philippine-navy-upcoming-vessels

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Corvettes

Corvettes are the smallest type of warship, a rank below frigates.

The Philippines recently received from South Korea the Pohang-class corvette BRP Conrado Yap (PS-39). Although it had already served the Republic of Korea Navy (ROKN) for nearly 3 decades as the ROKS Chungju, the refurbished corvette is currently the Philippines’ most powerful warship, with anti-air, anti-surface, and anti-submarine warfare capabilities.

Pending a formal contract, the government plans to acquire two brand new corvettes from HHI for about P30 billion, Lorenzana said on August 23.

If the plan pushes through, the two brand new corvettes, although smaller in size, will be “even more powerful" than the frigates BRP Jose Rizal and BRP Antonio Luna, said Empedrad.

To finance the acquisition, the Philippines plans to strike a government-to-government deal with South Korea.

Besides these, the Philippines may receive another two Pohang-class corvettes like the BRP Conrado Yap – not brand new, but hand-me-downs from ROKN.

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Re: Retitled: PN Corvette Acquisition Project
« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2019, 01:03:43 PM »
DND, Korean shipbuilder sign MOU ahead of corvette deal
By: Frances Mangosing - Reporter / @FMangosingINQINQUIRER.net / 04:20 PM November 12, 2019

MANILA, Philippines — The Department of National Defense (DND) and Korean shipbuilder Hyundai Heavy Industries (HHI) have signed a memorandum of understanding ahead of the acquisition of two brand new corvettes for the Philippine Navy.

If the actual contract goes through, the government-to-government deal for the two corvettes worth P28 billion would be an addition to the two frigates currently being built by HHI for the Philippine Navy.

The MOU signing between Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana and HHI President Ka Sam-Hyun coincided with the ship launch of the Navy’s second missile-capable frigate, the BRP Antonio Luna (FF-151), at HHI shipyard in Ulsan, South Korea on Friday, Nov. 8.

“The MOU is basically a basic understanding between Hyundai Heavy Industries and DND on the construction of two brand new corvettes worth P28 billion,” Navy chief Vice Adm. Robert Empedrad told reporters Monday evening on the sidelines of the 69th anniversary of the Philippine Marine Corps.

“It’s an understanding of how to implement the project once the budget is available,” he added.

He described the future corvettes as “more powerful” than the upcoming frigates because of its close-in weapons systems and defense missiles.

The Navy chief also pointed out that the corvettes would be worth P14 billion each, as compared to the two frigates worth P8 billion each.

The Philippine government signed a deal with HHI for the construction of two frigates worth P16 billion in 2016. The first ship is expected to arrive in April/May, while the second is scheduled to arrive in September/October of 2020.

Empedrad said they are looking to sign the contract for the corvettes before the year ends, but it will still depend on the Department of Budget and Management.

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Re: Retitled: PN Corvette Acquisition Project
« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2020, 12:16:07 AM »
Navy Plans 50-Ship Maritime Force To Strengthen Claims On Disputed Seas; BRP Jose Rizal Arrives
According to a Philippine Navy source, “we are not competing with anyone” but only trying to “regain some respect from other countries in the region, show the flag and protect our own interests in the South China Sea.”

Manuel Mogato Monday, May 25, 2020

https://www.onenews.ph/navy-plans-50-ship-maritime-force-to-strengthen-claims-on-disputed-seas-brp-jose-rizal-arrives

The Philippines plans to spend an initial P75 billion to build a 50-ship maritime force, including short-range missile-capable smaller and faster vessels to protect the country’s security interests in the disputed South China Sea, a senior naval commander said.

About 100 other support vessels and more than 30 fixed-wing and rotary aircraft are also being considered in the Philippine Navy’s force mix that could cost the government more than P100 billion in the long term.

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The Navy flag officer disclosed that at least four big-ticket items are in the pipeline under the military modernization program’s second horizon until 2023, to buy two corvettes, six offshore patrol vessels, two landing platform docks and eight fast attack interdiction craft.

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The Navy’s force mix plan will address these deficiencies, the flag officer says, adding that the acquisition will allow the Navy to retire its legacy ships, many of which are World War II-era vessels donated by the United States at the end of the Vietnam War in 1975.

The rest of the surface combat vessels will be acquired in the third horizon until 2028, excluding electric-diesel submarines that are very expensive.

“We have not abandoned the plan to acquire two to four submarines, but it will take time to train people who will man these vessels as well as build a base suitable for these sub-surface vessels,” the flag officer said, adding that they are looking at the experiences of Southeast Asian countries that operate submarines such as Vietnam, Indonesia and Singapore.

The Navy has been constantly reviewing its force mix plan after President Duterte approved in 2018 a revised modernization plan under the second horizon.

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Four more frigates will be acquired until 2028 under the Navy’s force-mix plan. The frigates will be armed with anti-air missiles and will be primarily an anti-air platform, but they also have ship-to-ship missiles.

Twelve missile-capable corvettes will be acquired for anti-submarine warfare. Two corvettes worth P28 billion are planned to be procured until 2023. A South Korean shipyard, which built the frigates, will be awarded the contracts.

At least 18 offshore patrol vessels (OPVs) will be acquired for exclusive economic zone (EEZ) patrols. Six are planned initially for P30 billion and will be awarded to an Australian shipyard.  Six more are planned until 2028 to join six existing vessels – three former Hamilton-class cutters from the US donated in 2011 and three former Peacock-class corvettes from the British Royal Navy stationed in Hong Kong, bought in 1997.

Eight Fast Attack Interdiction Craft armed with short-range missiles from Israel will also be acquired, but procurement of 40 of these ships will be spread out through 2028. The Navy has allocated P10 billion for the eight missile craft.

Acquisition of 42 smaller Multi-Purpose Attack Craft from Taiwan is also planned. There are already 12 operating in the Navy; three are fitted with Israeli missiles, the first-ever missile gunboats in the Philippines.

Two more strategic sealift vessels are also planned and will be awarded to an Indonesian supplier, which already delivered two ships – the BRP Davao del Sur and BRP Tarlac. The two ships will cost P5.5 billion.

The Navy also plans to build an aviation force with 34 planes and helicopters, including vertical takeoff and landing drones, designed for surveillance and anti-submarine warfare. Shore-to-ship and shore-to-air missile batteries are also planned.

The Philippine Marines, which is part of the Navy, has a different set of weapons upgrade plan, including amphibious assault vehicles, rotary aircraft, drones, mortars and assault rifles.

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