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Manokski

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C130 4726 burning at Clark
« on: March 27, 2019, 10:16:08 AM »
The aircraft appears to have an uncontained brake fire on the port side. No fire engines or extinguishers to be seen. Soo stupid. Crew are just walking away.
This is why we canít have nice things.

Itís hard to watch. To lose a national asset because of a lack of basic equipment is unforgivable. What would be a minor repair results in the write off because there is no fire extinguisher. And the PAF wants fighters?
« Last Edit: March 27, 2019, 11:08:15 AM by Manokski »

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Re: C130 4726 burning at Clark
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2019, 11:16:05 AM »
The aircraft appears to have an uncontained brake fire on the port side. No fire engines or extinguishers to be seen. Soo stupid. Crew are just walking away.
This is why we canít have nice things.

    If that was the cause, then the flight crew did not disengaged the brakes after the aircraft stopped, so the hydraulic system was still pressurized and was the fuel feeding the fire. Basic firefighting, take away one of the causes on the fire triangle (Fuel, Air, Heat) and applying extinguishing agent, and the fire would have been contained. Worried about the plane rolling away? A heavy aircraft like the C-130 will not roll that easy after a complete stop on a flat surface. The loadmaster does not even place the chocks on the main landing gears until the engines have stopped. 
   

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Re: C130 4726 burning at Clark
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2019, 11:44:38 AM »
Where the hell is CIA's firefighting trucks then? The airforce and the airport share the same runway and tray. The trucks could easily make their way to the C130

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Re: C130 4726 burning at Clark
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2019, 11:47:05 AM »
   By the way, if the brakes cause the fire, it happened on landing. There was already small crack or imminent failure on the brake lines before it took off. Whether it was smooth landing or not, applying brakes generate heat or hot brakes sometimes (too much application on landing).  I don't have access to whatever Manokski is watching, not knowing right now, where the aircraft made the final stop (still on the runway, taxiway or tarmac?) I cannot comment further when the fire started. Cargo area has a small window to view the landing gears (needed when you have to hand cranked them down to verify if it's locked). If loadmaster/ passengers notice something burning or smoke filling up the cargo bay while taxiing, it's one place to investigate.

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Re: C130 4726 burning at Clark
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2019, 11:51:46 AM »
Where the hell is CIA's firefighting trucks then? The airforce and the airport share the same runway and tray. The trucks could easily make their way to the C130

   No emergency declared, no fire trucks. If the crew/ passengers just egressed when the aircraft stopped and noticed the port side was on fire.

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Re: C130 4726 burning at Clark
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2019, 12:28:31 PM »
Where the hell is CIA's firefighting trucks then? The airforce and the airport share the same runway and tray. The trucks could easily make their way to the C130

   Based on my experience not too long ago (same cause, but an S-3B aircraft), we had the fire out by the time the fire trucks arrived. We used up 3 125lbs of PKP (Potassium Bicarbonate, dry chem). It would have been quicker if Halon was still available, but California banned the use of Halon due to ozone depletion. Could not remember how long it took because just like any emergencies, I lost track of time (we still went home on time after writng our statements and the skipper finding out what happened). Some rewarding moments #1, Fire chief said we could have waited for them so his guys could have some real time training #2, once the aircraft was released back to the squadron by the fire department (declared safe), it went to the wash rack to remove the PKP powder, since it was highly corrosive, brake assembly was ordered and plane was back on the flight schedule the next day. 
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Re: C130 4726 burning at Clark
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2019, 06:19:36 PM »
According to one post in the FB groups. Firetruck was on site within 3 mins. Fire out 20 mins after.

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Re: C130 4726 burning at Clark
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2019, 07:58:09 PM »
.....and to much coffee for Manokski.

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Re: C130 4726 burning at Clark
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2019, 08:43:36 PM »
You gotta watch the video....
The news reports are minimizing the damage.

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Re: C130 4726 burning at Clark
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2019, 09:02:58 PM »
http://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1065742

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C-130 plane catches fire before takeoff at Clark Air Base
March 27, 2019, 12:35 pm

on seeing the flames, the flight crew immediately alerted firefighters at 7:13 a.m. who then extinguished it around 7: 36 a.m. No one was reported hurt.

The plane, with tail number 4726, was supposed to transport students from the National Defense College of the Philippines to Palawan then to Pagasa Island.

The postponed trip is part of the curriculum of the students taking up Masters Degree in National Security Administration.

Galang did not give specifics on the exact cause of the fire and damages on the C-130 pending results of the investigation.

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Re: C130 4726 burning at Clark
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2019, 09:41:06 PM »
No longer green

Photo c/o Philippine Plane Spotters Group Ryu Guji

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10212159590133298&set=gm.1213048055447706&type=3&theater



https://news.mb.com.ph/2019/03/27/air-force-c-130-plane-catches-fire-prior-take-off-in-clark/

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Meanwhile, the flight operations of the other four C-130 aircraft are temporarily suspended pending their inspection.

The C-130, it was recalled, is the primary cargo lift aircraft of the PAF which transport troops and relief goods to places stricken by typhoons, earthquake and other disasters or calamities.

PAF currently has in its inventory five C-130 planes.

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Re: C130 4726 burning at Clark
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2019, 03:36:35 AM »
You gotta watch the video....
The news reports are minimizing the damage.

    Just kidding Manoks. Anyway, the black smoke indicated a Class Bravo fire (hydraulic fluid or jet fuel). Suspect could also be the GTC since it was supposed to take-off (this is not a T model, no APU installed) which is located forward of the port main landing gear wheel wells. GTC only used for starting engines, unlike APUs which not only can start the engines but operate other systems of the aircraft. GTC (like the APU) uses hydraulic & jet fuel to operate. Hydraulic pressure to start (spin the compressor) and jet fuel for combustion & power.
   It looks like it's on a taxi way (reason for absense of fire extinguishers close to it) and wonder how far it was from the tarmac/ parking
 apron? Cannot remember if the GTC has its own fire extinguisher for fire suppression like the APU.

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Re: C130 4726 burning at Clark
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2019, 04:39:26 AM »
   Not having a Facebook account, I can browse and could not reply on some of the comments, in particular if the aircraft has portable fire extinguishers. It does have (or supposed to have) 4-5 small (<25lbs?) CO2 fire extinguishers (one in the cockpit for sure). Will I use it to fight an unknown source of the fire? Not sure, since a single & small CO2 bottle will probably just be good for 4 or 5 short sweeping burst at the base of the fire (for CO2, sweeping motion in approaching the fire) to try to smother the fire (take away O2, remember fire triangle).Unless reaction (and training) of the crew can immediately organize how to attack the fire with what they have, then it might work to some extent but not fully contain the fire. Remember, in my experience we used up 3 125 pounds of PKP (directed to the base of the fire, not sweeping).

   

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Re: C130 4726 burning at Clark
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2019, 07:55:43 AM »
UNTV News and Rescue
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A C-130 of the Philippine Air Force catches fire before takeoff at Clark Air Base

Courtesy: Aquino Baby

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Re: C130 4726 burning at Clark
« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2021, 09:55:02 PM »
So whatever happened to 4726?
I love the smell of napalm in the morning.

Smelled like... victory!