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adroth

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This must never happen again
« on: October 20, 2016, 10:10:55 PM »
The C-130 graveyard at Mactan AFB at its height in the early 2000s




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Re: This must never happen again
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2016, 04:48:32 PM »
   This is not a rant but an observation of the AFP modernization. Recent disclosures by chance (F/A-50, SSV, Pohang, SoKor LCU) indicated serious flaws on the way systems have been acquired and lessons have not been learned or applied to the inadequacies of maintaining such modern systems or even upgrading current assets instead of assumed freebies or blue light specials from allied countries.  I failed to catch the SIPRI info with regards to the purchase of 12 F-404s from the U.S. That would have triggered my concern on what kind of ILS was negotiated. The 12 were meant only for the build, nothing more. Thatís a piss-poor planning and nobody else to blame but the AFP/PAF to the current situation and failed expectations, almost 2 years to receive a replacement engine. What else will fail since the single aircraft is doing most of the missions, training & keeping up with qualifications? I mean nobody dared to ask questions or provided inputs from past mistakes?
   The same is true with projected SK Pohang & LCU. I admire what LCDR Volante initiated a needed process for PN modernization, but it looks like a hit or miss plan. From what I gathered, no one even inspected the two vessels before accepting the 2 vessels? No one researched the feasibility if local shipyard can handle the repair or even estimate the repair cost, or even ask were they worth the cost to repair? I understand the need to place assets on station for WPS, but, it looks like more of not knowing what to do. Money have already been spent & wasted. With the projected repair cost allotted according to the bid request, would it have been better to upgrade the sensors or weapon systems of the PF-15/16 or even the SSV-1/ 2, as the thought process or alternatives?
   My conclusion, modernization will not be attained even if China or Russia showers the AFP with advance weapon systems if the AFP will not change how it manages and operate. I hope Iím proven wrong in my assumptions, but I don't see any improvements. I have experienced more due diligence & public trust from senior enlisted personnel in my years in naval aviation.  Yes, we have the budget, but it's not bottomless.     

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Re: This must never happen again
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2016, 07:35:18 PM »
How we bought things only a few years ago. This cannot continue, and should be replaced with logistics arrangements

http://adroth.ph/the-pafs-piecemeal-acquisitions/

« Last Edit: October 25, 2016, 07:49:26 PM by adroth »

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« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2016, 09:53:11 PM »
....which begs the question, whatever happened to PuGs plan to develop/ introduce a logistic software (if I remember it right) to his former unit, 505th? Did it ever get the support to at least a beta test?

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Re: This must never happen again
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2016, 10:38:58 PM »
How we bought things only a few years ago. This cannot continue, and should be replaced with logistics arrangements

http://adroth.ph/the-pafs-piecemeal-acquisitions/


Singapore does this too.  Go to www.gebiz.gov.sg, type C130 or Seahawk, you get a list of line item procurements too..

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« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2016, 10:52:01 PM »
^^^^Though I could not access the info, you do have the industrial support available within for some repairs/ overhaul. Also, were these line items ordered because the hi/lo limit was triggered by a demand? Quite different scenario with the PAF when there's nothing on the shelf or cannibalized until there's nothing to cannibalize anymore.

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« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2016, 06:50:00 AM »
Here you go.

Not sure about the specifics and why these small buys though. RSAF's availability has always been pretty high.


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Re: This must never happen again
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2016, 10:30:52 AM »
How we bought things only a few years ago. This cannot continue, and should be replaced with logistics arrangements

http://adroth.ph/the-pafs-piecemeal-acquisitions/


Singapore does this too.  Go to www.gebiz.gov.sg, type C130 or Seahawk, you get a list of line item procurements too..

Thank you sir.

Do you do logistics agreements with specific vendors, or do you actually issue bid invitations for each individual component?

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« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2016, 06:59:01 PM »
It's been the observation that our institutions (AFP in particular) does not release a through-life cost for each project.  Unlike in most western countries -- long- and mid-term costs are projected (and grossly detailed).  Thus funding/budget requirements for both MOOE and operations can be determine in advance.  Also -- their baseline is operational/deployable availability. 

Although, we are basically using only acquisition cost and short-term (probably bare-bone) ILS -- just to get thru the hump, when actually it's always an uphill in terms of financial expense for an asset. 

In fairness, there are minor progress, since not only regular maintenance, but those service-life requirements are being planned.  But -- what needs to be streamline is the procurement process and bureaucracy reqt of detailed line items we noted on 'goods'.  COA's oversight is always considered, so any reforms (law, memos, etc) has to be qualified to them.
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« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2016, 09:04:40 PM »
It's been the observation that our institutions (AFP in particular) does not release a through-life cost for each project.  Unlike in most western countries -- long- and mid-term costs are projected (and grossly detailed).  Thus funding/budget requirements for both MOOE and operations can be determine in advance.  Also -- their baseline is operational/deployable availability.

Although, we are basically using only acquisition cost and short-term (probably bare-bone) ILS -- just to get thru the hump, when actually it's always an uphill in terms of financial expense for an asset. 

In fairness, there are minor progress, since not only regular maintenance, but those service-life requirements are being planned. But -- what needs to be streamline is the procurement process and bureaucracy reqt of detailed line items we noted on 'goods'. COA's oversight is always considered, so any reforms (law, memos, etc) has to be qualified to them.

Baseline? What do you mean? For the PAF, what is the baseline?

Streamline? That has been discussed so many times from the old forum. The examples I mentioned were the end-items themselves. Prior to procurement, the planners should have included in the budget a realistic ILS program, like the F/A-50, budget for 12, 1 or 2 can be knocked-down for the replacement parts and ILS for repairable parts (turn-in) and kits first 2 major inspection cycles (gives users time to reorder the used kits). Not seeing the need for a spare engine, the bidding, process to request for US approval to export let's say the cold section (compressor) to the country where the repair will take place......yup, two years! Poor planning!   

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« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2016, 09:35:17 PM »
^ Baseline would mean either as percentage availability of the total aircraft on a squadron -- example -- 70-80%; (or in ships) in number of days available per year -- example -- 270 days.  Those are just examples for western armed forces.  I'm not talking about our PAF or Navy.

 
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« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2016, 10:23:15 PM »
^ Baseline would mean either as percentage availability of the total aircraft on a squadron -- example -- 70-80%; (or in ships) in number of days available per year -- example -- 270 days.  Those are just examples for western armed forces.  I'm not talking about our PAF or Navy.

  The baseline equates to a lot of things, mission capabilities and how it reached to that point (any unit). This measures the quality of the people behind to make things happen (from supply to end-users), training etc. Careers are either made or broken depending on the end-result. I don't even belong to a frontline unit, but every mission counts, since it involves multiple agencies and entities that cost time and money and if one player fails to show-up, money and time goes down the drain. So... it's relevant to ask, what is the PAF/PN's capability baseline?  You brought it up as a measure for comparison. How often was CAS or medevac not available (not just on major operations in order to set the bar)? I'm not starting an argument, but the baby steps to modernization seems to be a crawl and it's not cheap. Even with icing on the cake, the taste is still stale.

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« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2016, 01:03:35 AM »
Quote from: jetmech link=topic=445.msg1077#msg1077
So... it's relevant to ask, what is the PAF/PN's capability baseline?  You brought it up as a measure for comparison. How often was CAS or medevac not available (not just on major operations in order to set the bar)? I'm not starting an argument ...

Valid question. 

However, I didn't made any specific comparisons.  I was just trying to highlight to (possible) quantifiable 'baseline' standards -- of which I have no privy to.

You might have confused when I used 'their', as referring to AFP, but I implied that to the later -- which were 'western countries', where their metrics are rather published or discussed..
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Re: This must never happen again
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2016, 10:44:17 PM »

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« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2017, 03:01:25 PM »
A step in the right direction?

220TH AW AIRCRAFT MANAGERS INITIATE AMF 2018 PREPARATIONS
22 February 2017

http://www.paf.mil.ph/press/2017/2018prep.html

Sustaining airlift operations is one of the key challenges air lifters have to confront. It is noteworthy to mention that with the current trend, the wing remained to be the Air Force's reliable workhorse. The increasing operational tempo for all the wing's aircraft has considerably bear greater load on maintenance activities to ensure that these aircraft are properly maintained and ready to fly anytime. Despite the challenges, the air lifters have managed to provide capability to be even more relevant in terms of operational requirements, national development efforts, and most especially, during humanitarian assistance and disaster relief operations.

The guidance of our 220th Airlift Wing Commander, BGen Nicolas C Parilla AFP, is clear - keep all the aircraft in the flight line!

As a flying unit, preserving our aircraft is imperative with emphasis given on high maintenance standards. Aside from the efforts of the pilots and maintenance personnel in flying and keeping the aircraft in its operational status, the other important task at hand is the urgent compliance of administrative requirements. These are indeed tantamount to sustain the round-the-clock airlift operations.

One of these requirements is the comprehensive aircraft maintenance planning or commonly known as the Aircraft Maintenance Fund. Early on, Major Norwin G Licoto PAF, the Director for Logistics, spearheaded the initial preparation for the ongoing determination of aircraft requirements for Calendar Year 2018. In fact, the wing has pioneered this effort and was replicated by other flying units. Aircraft managers discuss among themselves, including their respective specialists, how to deliver the most realistic and responsive programming. Through this effort, the right spare is procured at the right time considering some of the aircraft components/spare parts must be readily available to reduce or eliminate aircraft downtime.