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T129 attack helicopter for the PAF?
« on: December 01, 2018, 02:38:19 AM »
Administrator's note: See also:

TAI T129 ATAK attack helicopter
TAI ATAK 2 attack helicopter program

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From: Janes - 29 November 2018
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The Philippines Department of National Defense (DND) has edged closer to a decision to procure the Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) T129 ATAK multirole combat helicopter to meet a long-standing requirement in the Philippine Air Force (PAF).

A procurement team set up by the PAF in support of its combat utility helicopter (CUH) programme has identified the T129 platform as fulfilling its capability demands, although the procurement project has not yet been finalised.

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The acquisition is expected to be facilitated through a government-to-government deal between the Philippines and Turkey, possibly involving credit provided by Turk Eximbank, Turkey's official export credit agency.

In recent years, defence ties between the countries has grown stronger through diplomatic channels and earlier this year the Philippines and Turkey agreed to expand defence industrial collaboration. Turkey's only previous defence export to the Philippines was the sale of seven ACV-15 tracked armoured vehicles made by FNSS Savunma Sistemleri. These vehicles were delivered from 2010.

Other source: MaxDefense Philippines and defenseph.net FB Group / extension

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From: army-technology.com


Photo taken from pakmr.blogspot.com

YouTube video: Turkish Military T129 ATAK Attack Helicopter
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Re: T129 attack helicopter for the PAF?
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2018, 01:48:17 PM »
A New Philippines-Turkey Military Helicopter Deal?
Renewed indications are that a landmark pact could be in the offing.
By Prashanth Parameswaran
December 04, 2018

https://thediplomat.com/2018/12/a-new-philippines-turkey-military-helicopter-deal/

Within the course of the past week, there have been renewed indications that the Philippines could be moving towards finalizing a deal with Turkey as the preferred option for a longtime need for combat utility helicopters. These indications have once again spotlighted both the developing relationship between the two countries on the defense side as well as Manila’s ongoing efforts to boost its limited military capabilities.

Over the past few years, Turkey and the Philippines have been looking to develop ties in the defense realm due to convergent interests. Ankara has been exploring opportunities in Asian markets as it looks for newer markets beyond the challenging business environment in the Middle East, while Manila continues to look for sources as it develops its military capabilities which lag some of its neighbors. Beyond the usual components such as visits, exchanges, and port calls, both sides have begun working out and pursuing collaborative endeavors on the defense side, with a notable one on defense equipment being the sale of armored vehicles starting in 2010.

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One of the potential areas for collaboration that has been in focus in recent months has been helicopters. Following the cancellation of an earlier deal where the Philippines would buy combat utility helicopters from Canada – a procurement valued at around $230 million featuring between 12 and 16 helicopters – Manila this year had been considering a range of options that included Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) T129 ATAK multirole combat helicopters.

Last week, renewed indications surfaced that the Philippines had identified the T129 as being the option to go with. While no formal announcement has been made as such, Commanding General of the PAF Galileo Kintanar reportedly disclosed that the T129 was the technical working group’s preferred option, and that the PAF had now passed the recommendation to procure the T129 to the DND which will engage with TAI on a potential acquisition.

Assuming those steps are taken, the endpoint is expected to be a government to government deal between the Philippines and Turkey for the helicopters. While specifics remain unclear, that would no doubt represent a landmark deal for the defense relationship between the two countries, where defense equipment transfers and sales have been discussed but have yet to manifest themselves in concrete, significant deals.

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Re: T129 attack helicopter for the PAF?
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2018, 01:06:31 AM »
Air Force chooses Black Hawk, Turkey attack choppers — Lorenzana
Patricia Lourdes Viray (philstar.com) - December 7, 2018 - 4:24pm

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Lorenzana also confirmed that the Air Force will be acquiring attack helicopters from the Turkish Aerospace Industries.

"Its name is also 'ATAK' it's an attack helicopter... I think we can only get less than 10, maybe eight," Lorenzana said.

International online magazine The Diplomat earlier reported that the Philippines has identified the T129 ATAK multirole combat helicopters to address the requirements of the Philippine military.

The upcoming government-to-government deal between the Philippines and Turkey would serve as a landmark deal for the defense relationship between the two countries, according to the report.

Philippine officials, however, have yet to formally announce the deal.


Read more at https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2018/12/07/1875028/air-force-chooses-black-hawk-turkey-attack-choppers-lorenzana?fbclid=IwAR1zHGxP25IFhP3bHZYzQkWYtbqef6K8teTE852LXAC_FW0BcVoFj6thk6M#HOseLVxbPWoh9asU.99


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Re: T129 attack helicopter for the PAF?
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2018, 01:56:24 PM »
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2018-12-11/philippines-leans-towards-black-hawk-and-t129?fbclid=IwAR2suClDrVSR03wK8B6iOfstIgdqWUOnsnZqEOfp_rukYik3nuZBEPK3s3Q#


The Philippines could become the second international customer for the Turkish Aerospace T129, following Pakistan. (photo: Turkish Aerospace)

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Re: T129 attack helicopter for the PAF?
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2019, 01:03:45 AM »

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Re: T129 attack helicopter for the PAF?
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2019, 05:31:45 AM »
With the kerfuffle between Turkey's S-400 SAM purchase and their (dwindling) involvement with the F-35 AND the U.S. Congress' upcoming bill to ban the Turks from the JSF Program/suppliers, will this affect the T129? Especially they (Turks) are using U.S.-made (or licensed) components for their helicopters?

I'm guessing Augusta may act as a middle man of sorts for parts and logistic support? I've been wondering about this.

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Re: T129 attack helicopter for the PAF?
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2019, 01:00:34 PM »
With the kerfuffle between Turkey's S-400 SAM purchase and their (dwindling) involvement with the F-35 AND the U.S. Congress' upcoming bill to ban the Turks from the JSF Program/suppliers, will this affect the T129? Especially they (Turks) are using U.S.-made (or licensed) components for their helicopters?

I'm guessing Augusta may act as a middle man of sorts for parts and logistic support? I've been wondering about this.

Good question

How Turkey’s industry could suffer from the S-400 deal with Russia
By: Burak Ege Bekdil    
April 11

https://www.defensenews.com/industry/2019/04/11/how-turkeys-industry-could-suffer-from-the-s-400-deal-with-russia/

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Turkey risks severe U.S. sanctions under the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act. Top U.S. lawmakers are threatening to pass legislation that would bar Turkey from buying the F-35 fighter jet, and sanction the country if it buys the Russian S-400.

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Additionally, the U.S. may disrupt Turkey’s current and future systems export efforts, including those for the T129 attack helicopter, built by TAI under license from the Italian-British firm AgustaWestland. The T129, based on its predecessor, the A129 Mangusta, is a twin-engine multirole attack helicopter.

The T129 is powered by two LHTEC T800-4A turboshaft engines. Each engine can produce 1,014 kilowatts of power. The T800-4A is an export version of the CTS800 engine. LHTEC, which makes the engine, is a joint venture between the American company Honeywell and the British firm Rolls-Royce.

Last year Turkey signed a $1.5 billion deal with Pakistan for the sale of 30 T129s. Turkey needs U.S. export licenses to make the T129 deliveries to Pakistan — or any other foreign buyer. In December, the Philippine government selected the T129 for military use, and talks are ongoing for the sale of eight helos.

A Turkish aerospace industry executive admitted that the U.S. sanctions could hurt the Turkish industry, but said the damage would not be “too punishing.”

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Re: T129 attack helicopter for the PAF?
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2019, 12:14:24 PM »
I guess if the U.S. kicks Turkey out of the F-35 program, I'm hoping na it's just limited in that area (anything JSF related that is).

Hopefully it doesn't affect other defense-related stuff that the Turks are working on.

If that's the case, then I think the T129 acquisition *should* be fine.

Maybe. :D

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Re: T129 attack helicopter for the PAF?
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2019, 06:26:03 PM »
T129 deal is dead in the water, another set back for the AH acquisition...it seems PAF is now eyeing the AH-1Z

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Re: T129 attack helicopter for the PAF?
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2019, 08:35:37 AM »
It'll be interesting to see if the administration can still a rabbit out of its hat . . . in light of CAATSA


PH AMBASSADOR TO TURKEY MEETS WITH TURKISH AEROSPACE INDUSTRIES PRESIDENT
Created: 19 July 2019    Last Updated: 19 July 2019
PH Ambassador to Turkey Meets with Turkish Aerospace Industries President

https://dfa.gov.ph/dfa-news/news-from-our-foreign-service-postsupdate/23863-ph-ambassador-to-turkey-meets-with-turkish-aerospace-industries-president



Ambassador-designate to Turkey Raul S. Hernandez (left) and Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) President/CEO Professor Temel Kotil (right) held discussions at TAI’s thirty-hectare technological facility in Ankara for research and development as well as the manufacture and assembly of helicopters, jets, unmanned aerial vehicles, among others. (Ankara PE photo)

 


Professor Kotil briefed the Embassy of its T129 ATAK helicopters, which are designed for advanced attack and reconnaissance missions in hot and high environments and rough geography in both day and night conditions. (Ankara PE photo)

 



The TAI President/CEO also mentioned the company’s readiness to engage with counterparts overseas, including the Philippines.  TAI is willing to support the Philippines in its modernization program of the Armed Forces of the Philippines. The Philippines and Turkey have signed a Memorandum of Understanding on Defense Industry Cooperatıon on 18 December 2018 in Manila. (Ankara PE photo)