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Food-for-thought: Gripen vs Viper
« on: October 21, 2018, 01:56:47 PM »

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Re: Food-for-thought: Gripen vs Viper
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2018, 09:06:17 PM »
True, but I would still go for the Gripen and ask the Swedes for a local MRO facility, especially given the PAF has just launched their ILS program, giving hope that the end to piecemeal acquisitions of spares and logistics has finally come to an end.

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Re: Food-for-thought: Gripen vs Viper
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2018, 10:07:27 AM »
True, but I would still go for the Gripen and ask the Swedes for a local MRO facility, especially given the PAF has just launched their ILS program, giving hope that the end to piecemeal acquisitions of spares and logistics has finally come to an end.

which is why it is important to look at the whole process, not just the end product and its support. it must start with what the paf needs (not want), a robust contract, sturdy guarantees, etc., etc. according to the website "airframer", much of the gripen is made outside Sweden, with a good chunk of them coming from the US. critical items such as bearings, fuel system parts, avionics come from companies which I recognize as socal entities. im not trying to influence anybody one way or the other but be aware that in case of an emergency, the needs of the US gov will over ride any, if not all, contracts these companies may have with saab.

*volvo may manufacture the rm12 but is every part made "in country" from raw materials? how much or what percentage comes from the US and how critical are these parts? what is their definition of "manufactured"?

add on: volvo aero bought out by gkn and it just opened an aero engine repair / research facility in Malaysia five days ago... interesting part: The research will be centered around the application of additive manufacturing technology into engine parts repair.
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Re: Food-for-thought: Gripen vs Viper
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2018, 09:32:17 PM »
I bookmarked a post from Pinoy Aviators. It's a Gripen vs F-16 in terms of Pros and Cons. I'll place the link below...

https://www.facebook.com/PinoyAviators13/posts/1699058523461713

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Re: Food-for-thought: Gripen vs Viper
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2018, 12:12:17 PM »
Comparison of the two written by a former F16 pilot.

https://fightersweep.com/6024/dogfight-f-16v-viper-versus-j-39e-gripen/

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Re: Food-for-thought: Gripen vs Viper
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2018, 01:23:37 PM »
I bookmarked a post from Pinoy Aviators. It's a Gripen vs F-16 in terms of Pros and Cons. I'll place the link below...

https://www.facebook.com/PinoyAviators13/posts/1699058523461713

Comparison of the two written by a former F16 pilot.

https://fightersweep.com/6024/dogfight-f-16v-viper-versus-j-39e-gripen/

Great posts! I especially liked the one from that F-16 pilot posted by Mr sirius although both posts are comparisons between the F-16 Block 70 and the Gripen E, not the Gripen C/D variants, that are on offer to the PAF. 

Gripen E production units are only scheduled for deliveries in early 2019 yet and are possibly more expensive to acquire - though probably still cheaper to operate - than probably even the F-16 Block 70.  (By the way, just like the Gripen E, the F-16 Block 70 production unit deliveries haven't begun, either.)

Maybe I just suck at Google but I can't find a more direct Gripen C/D vs. F-16 Block 70 comparison although IMHO the F-16 Block 70 is far superior to Gripen C/D in terms of avionics, sensors, payload, and performance.  (Note: This conclusion is, not coincidentally, the same as that of the F-16 pilot's which Mr sirius posted.)

Nonetheless, I believe the DND/PAF when they say they're more for operational affordability which the C/D offers than the raw combat power which is so obviously inherent in the F-16 Block 70 (or maybe even just the Block 50/52, for that matter).

Besides, and IMHO, going C/D represents the best path towards the E in the long-term (i.e. 10-15 years down the road).  However, these are just the ten-cent musings of a total lay, non-military, and totally noob defense enthusiast - so nothing to see here!  ;) :o

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Re: Food-for-thought: Gripen vs Viper
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2018, 07:13:43 AM »
I bookmarked a post from Pinoy Aviators. It's a Gripen vs F-16 in terms of Pros and Cons. I'll place the link below...

https://www.facebook.com/PinoyAviators13/posts/1699058523461713

Comparison of the two written by a former F16 pilot.

https://fightersweep.com/6024/dogfight-f-16v-viper-versus-j-39e-gripen/

Great posts! I especially liked the one from that F-16 pilot posted by Mr sirius although both posts are comparisons between the F-16 Block 70 and the Gripen E, not the Gripen C/D variants, that are on offer to the PAF. 

Gripen E production units are only scheduled for deliveries in early 2019 yet and are possibly more expensive to acquire - though probably still cheaper to operate - than probably even the F-16 Block 70.  (By the way, just like the Gripen E, the F-16 Block 70 production unit deliveries haven't begun, either.)

Maybe I just suck at Google but I can't find a more direct Gripen C/D vs. F-16 Block 70 comparison although IMHO the F-16 Block 70 is far superior to Gripen C/D in terms of avionics, sensors, payload, and performance.  (Note: This conclusion is, not coincidentally, the same as that of the F-16 pilot's which Mr sirius posted.)

Nonetheless, I believe the DND/PAF when they say they're more for operational affordability which the C/D offers than the raw combat power which is so obviously inherent in the F-16 Block 70 (or maybe even just the Block 50/52, for that matter).

Besides, and IMHO, going C/D represents the best path towards the E in the long-term (i.e. 10-15 years down the road).  However, these are just the ten-cent musings of a total lay, non-military, and totally noob defense enthusiast - so nothing to see here!  ;) :o


Taiwan got its first few F-16 Block 70 just recently

https://thediplomat.com/2018/10/taiwan-receives-first-upgraded-f-16-viper-fighter-jet/

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Re: Food-for-thought: Gripen vs Viper
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2018, 12:19:43 AM »
Good one!  I stand corrected, Mr sirius.  ;D