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Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
« Reply #30 on: October 24, 2017, 09:03:19 PM »
For reference when the project actually comes out.

The following was shared on the forum's FB extension.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/rpdefense/permalink/1467451506674025/

This thesis, however, hinges on the assumption that the CMS that survives the "Hanwha Thales" split is Hanwha and not Thales.



Background on the Hanwha-Thales split.

Hanwha Group to Acquire Remaining 50% Stake in Hanwha Thales
SEOUL, KOREA
28 July 2016 - 11:00am

http://businesskorea.co.kr/english/news/industry/15374-thales%E2%80%99-decision-hanwha-group-acquire-remaining-50-stake-hanwha-thales

Thales Group, a French multinational aerospace and defense company, has decided to sell its 50 percent stake in Hanwha Thales to Hanwha Group.

When Samsung sold its defense unit to Hanwha last year, Thales and Hanwha signed a put/call option agreement for Thales' 50 percent share in Hanwha Thales, former Samsung Thales. Under the agreement, Thales has a put option that allows it the right to sell its 50 percent stake to Hanwha one year after Hanwha Group completes the acquisition process, while Hanwha is given a call option to buy the shares.

Accordingly, Thales has had the right to exercise the put option for 40 days from June 29 to August 7 and Thales officially notified Hanwha of the sale of all of its shares, amounting to 50%, at the price of 288 billion won (US$253.86 million).

Hanwha Thales is the nationís first defense joint venture established in 2000 by Samsung Electronicsí defense unit and Franceís Thales with the stake ratio of 50:50. The joint venture has grown with research and development in advanced defense electronics products, such as radar, command and control and communications and command and control.

Hanwha Group plans to accept Thalesí decision and continuously maintain and expand the partnership between the two companies, although the joint venture will be wholly owned by Hanwha.

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Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
« Reply #31 on: October 25, 2017, 10:28:45 AM »
All the naysayers relying on second hand information and speculation is getting old. 



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Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
« Reply #34 on: October 30, 2017, 05:20:23 PM »
Lots of lessons are to be / being learned for this FAP.  While it was understandable that PN was trying to initially grope in the dark during bid definition stage, the succeeding stage 2 (via the SBB amendments did try to address some inadequacy.  Baseline established.  It was perceived that a set of supposed sub-components were also included during the submission and opening of bids -- in order to established if such incorporated sub-systems were compliant with the baseline.  The bone of contention lies there.  Substitution could possibly lead to non-compliance, and actually -- possibly violating the procurement law.

The current US Navy FFG(X) procurement process give a valuable lesson, including those from their own 'flawed' LCS program.  The platform is calling for a parent design which had been constructed and demonstrated at sea -- rather than a developmental design.  This approach lessens the time involved in testing and debugging -- thus having the platform operational at an early date.


Another basic US procurement approach is the provision of Govt Furnished Equipment (GFE) for the platforms.  PN could have had de-coupled the combat and warfare systems from the platform, so that it will have the ultimate control on which subsystems and integration it wants.  Separate acquisitions with long-term and multiple platform outlook could have been done.

Monday morning quarterbacking is rather easy...  But is the game really over?!
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Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
« Reply #35 on: October 31, 2017, 02:10:12 AM »
Another important piece of the puzzle that seems to have been ignored in all this noise:

https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/worldwide/press-release/thales-exercises-its-put-option-hanwha-thales-htc#

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THALES EXERCISES ITS PUT OPTION IN HANWHA THALES (HTC)

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The jointly-owned company Hanwha Thales was created in 2000 by Samsung and Thales (Euronext Paris: HO) to develop the defence electronics in Korea. In June 2015, Samsung sold its defence related businesses to Hanwha. In this context, Hanwha and Thales negotiated a put/call option on Thales' shares in their jointly owned company.

Considering Hanwha and Thales respective ambitions in the Korean market today, Thales has decided to exercise its put option, for all of its shares, amounting to 50% of Hanwha Thales equity, at the price of KW288 billion (approximately Ä230 million). Once governmental approvals are obtained and the sale is completed, Thales shall record a cash inflow of approximately Ä200 million. In 2015, Hanwha Thales contributed Ä10 million to the EBIT of Thales.

Thales and Hanwha are keen to pursue their cooperation in multiple areas. Thales is a partner of trust of Korea and the Korean industry, in both civil and military domains. 

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Just because a JV company splits their legal personalities, does not spell an automatic end to any partnerships.

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Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
« Reply #36 on: October 31, 2017, 05:15:12 PM »
"Just because a JV company splits their legal personalities, does not spell an automatic end to any partnerships."

Would it mean some people indeed pushed the panic button too early? Would this mean that Thales is still our FF's CMS?

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Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
« Reply #37 on: November 01, 2017, 08:06:56 AM »
D&S 2017: C-Guard to protect Philippine frigates
1st November 2017 - 12:11 GMT | by Beth Maundrill in London RSS

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/imps-news/ds-2017-c-guard-protect-philippine-frigates/

Denmark-based Terma Group will equip the Philippine Navyís future frigates with its C-Guard decoy launchers, which will assist in the protection of the strategic assets.

The company will deliver a total of four launchers, two per frigate. Each launcher has six tubes, the DL-6T Launcher variant, and uses 130mm NATO decoy rounds to protect against threats including RF, IR, dual seeker and torpedo threats.

The C-Guard solution has been thoroughly evaluated by the Philippine Navy.

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Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
« Reply #38 on: November 01, 2017, 03:46:09 PM »
D&S 2017: C-Guard to protect Philippine frigates
1st November 2017 - 12:11 GMT | by Beth Maundrill in London RSS

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/imps-news/ds-2017-c-guard-protect-philippine-frigates/

Denmark-based Terma Group will equip the Philippine Navyís future frigates with its C-Guard decoy launchers, which will assist in the protection of the strategic assets.

The company will deliver a total of four launchers, two per frigate. Each launcher has six tubes, the DL-6T Launcher variant, and uses 130mm NATO decoy rounds to protect against threats including RF, IR, dual seeker and torpedo threats.

The C-Guard solution has been thoroughly evaluated by the Philippine Navy.

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The decoy launcher

From: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSeV6uL90vE



https://www.terma.com/media/118849/skws_022007.pdf



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Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
« Reply #39 on: November 01, 2017, 08:24:01 PM »
Where we ought to be by now

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Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
« Reply #40 on: November 02, 2017, 08:16:31 AM »
From: https://youtu.be/oFLqNdUsaso

Day 3 at MADEX 2017, the International Maritime Defense Industry Exhibition in Busan, South Korea. The event is held during "Marine Week 2017" and takes place in conjunction with Sea Port 2017 and KORMARINE 2017.

See time index 3:22. "Currently being operated by ROK navy . . . Malaysian training vessel . . . next generation Philippine frigate"











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Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
« Reply #41 on: November 03, 2017, 09:30:17 AM »
SEA to Provide Torpedo Launcher Systems for Thai, Philippines & Malaysian Navies

https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2017/november-2017-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/5679-sea-to-provide-torpedo-launcher-systems-for-thai-philippines-malaysian-navies.html
 
Cohort company SEA will look to build upon growing demand in South East Asia for its torpedo and decoy launcher systems when it highlights the capability at the Defense and Security exhibition in Ban Mai, Thailand, on November 6-9.
        
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SEA has recently won an order to provide Hyundai Heavy Industries (HHI) in South Korea with Torpedo Launcher Systems (TLS) for two new frigates being built for the Philippines Navy and is also engaged in providing TLS and weapons handling systems for a new class of Combatant Ships under construction for Malaysia. This follows the supply of a TLS for the Royal Thai Navyís latest frigate, which was built by DSME in South Korea.

SEA is looking to build upon this pedigree with the supply of a triple trainable deck mounted system for a further frigate under consideration by the Royal Thai Navy. In addition, there are several more opportunities in frigate new build and refurbishment projects throughout SE Asia.

One of the major benefits of SEAís TLS is that they can be configured to fire any NATO standard light weight torpedo, enabling operators to benefit from the flexibility of choosing the best weapon independently and the option of re-configuring during the life of the ship.

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Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
« Reply #42 on: Today at 06:13:55 AM »
As confirmed by Janes, with their own independent fact checking.

http://www.janes.com/article/75871/hyundai-selects-turkish-30-mm-naval-gun-system-for-philippine-navy-frigates

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Hyundai selects Turkish 30 mm naval gun system for Philippine Navy frigates

Ridzwan Rahmat - IHS Jane's Navy International
21 November 2017

Key Points
  • The Philippine Navyís new frigates will each feature a 30 mm gun system from Aselsan
  • The Turkish company is gaining a foothold in the region, and is also in talks with the Philippine government regarding further orders

The Philippine Navyís (PNís) new frigates will be equipped with the SMASH 30 mm remote controlled stabilised naval gun system from Turkish defence systems provider, Aselsan, an official from the company confirmed with Janeís on 20 November.

Each frigate will be equipped with one SMASH 30 mm system as a secondary weapon, and the system will be fully integrated with the platformís combat management system (CMS), said the official. Janeís understands that the weapon will be situated in the platformís stern section, facing its flight deck.

South Korean shipbuilder Hyundai Heavy Industries (HHI) won a contract in 2016 to supply the PN with two 2,600-tonne frigates that derive its design from the Republic of Korea Navyís (RoKNís) Incheon (FFX-I) class. Besides the 30 mm gun system, the warship is also expected to be equipped with an eight-cell vertical launching system (VLS) installed at the forward section, and a 76 mm naval gun.

According to specifications provided by Aselsan, the SMASH system is fitted with a 30 mm Mk 44 Bushmaster-II cannon that can fire up to 200 rounds/minute, and can be operated either via an operator console or in automatic tracking mode.

The system can be equipped with an electro-optic sight package containing a thermal camera, a video camera, and laser range finder, and also operate in surveillance mode to improve the platformís situational awareness. The turret can be fed via two separate ammunition stowage lines.