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Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2016, 06:00:44 AM »
http://www.janes.com/article/65735/shrink-wrapped-new-generation-tacticos-packaged-up-for-indonesia-s-pkr-frigate

This would be relevant. I won't post the whole article here because of copyright issues but extract a few key sections.

Suffice to say, ToT is a non-trivial task. The receiving party needs to be of sufficient maturity and capability before considering this option.

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As a part of the PKR contract, Thales Nederland has forged an industrial co-operation with Indonesian electronics and IT company PT Len Industri (Persero), which includes a significant transfer of technology. Thales naval marketing and sales director in Indonesia Hennie Everlo explained, "Next to the extensive technology transfer we have subcontracted PT Len for three specific software modules in TACTICOS. That means the company is now developing their skills on the basis of our CMS technology."


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"This was the first time we have undertaken a project with DSNS for a full modular build," explained Edie Heuvelink, Thales Nederland's PKR programme manager. "Ship module 5 [built by DSNS in Vlissingen] was the most interesting for us because it included the CIC below decks and the SMART-S Mk 2 and STIR 1.2 EO Mk 2 radars above decks.

"Our TACTICOS system was integrated in the CIC, the radars installed onboard the mast structures, and we performed approximately 80% of integration in the Netherlands over a six-month period from the start of 2015. The whole module was then shipped to Indonesia for consolidation with the remaining ship modules at PT PAL.

"We did the remaining 20% integration in Indonesia. This included all the other equipment - such as the 76/62 Super Rapid gun and hull-mounted sonar - that was not fitted in module 5, various alignments and calibrations on the ship, followed by harbour and sea acceptance tests.".
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Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2016, 09:37:29 PM »
http://www.pna.gov.ph/index.php?idn=&nid=1&rid=945396

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Letter of credit for 2 missile-firing frigates being finalized - Navy chief

MANILA, Dec. 3 (PNA) -- The letter of credit (LOC) for the country's first two missile-firing frigates, whose contract was won by Hyundai Heavy Industries (HHI), is now being finalized, Philippine Navy (PN) flag-officer-in-command, Vice Adm. Roland Joseph Mercado has said.

"As far as I know, they are now finalizing the terms in the LOC, for the frigate project. That's the only update I could give for now," he said in an interview with the Philippine News Agency (PNA).

An LOC is a letter from a bank guaranteeing that a buyer's payment to a seller will be received on time and for the correct amount. In case the buyer is unable to make payment for the purchase, the bank will be required to cover the full or remaining amount of the purchase.

Mercado is the same officer who headed the technical working group that came up with the specifications of the country's first-ever missile-capable frigates.

On Oct. 24, National Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana formally inked the contract for the Frigate Acquisition Program, together with officials and delegates from South Korea's HHI. The signing ceremony took place at the PN's headquarters in Naval Station Andrada, Roxas Blvd., Manila.

The project involves the construction and delivery of two missile-firing frigates to the PN.

The signing of the contract signals the start of the construction and is the culmination of the long and tedious procurement process for the project.

As background, the Notice of Award was approved, issued and was duly conformed by HHI on Sept. 13 with the amount of USD336,912,000 or PHP15,744,571,584.

The project is worth PHP16 billion with another PHP2 billion allocated for the acquisition of assorted weapon systems and munitions. (PNA)
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Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2017, 01:12:31 AM »
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Servowatch to supply IPMS capability for two HHI-built Frigates for Philippines Navy | Navy Recognition - 30 August 2017
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Servowatch, a leading supplier of advanced integrated ship control systems, is very proud to announce they have again been selected by Hyundaito supply theirIntegrated Platform Management System (IPMS). This down select will see Servowatch partnering with Hyundai Electric to provide its IPMS for installation into the Philippine Navy’s Future Frigate programme to be built in Hyundai’s Ulsan facility; the largest shipyard in the world.

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Servowatch Systems’ scope of supply comprises an IPMS control and monitoring package for the vessels’ propulsion plant, electric power plant, auxiliary/ancillary system. Battle Damage Control System (BDCS) and On-board Training System (OBTS) are also to be included in scope of IPMS.

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The UK-headquartered company has invested heavily in the design and development of the next generation IPMS systems. Designed to commercial or military standards, principally for naval or larger complex commercial vessels, Servowatch offers a range of bespoke solutions to provide propulsion, electrical and auxiliary plant management from multifunction workstations with automation programmed into the system.

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http://www.servowatch.com/index.php?mact=News,cntnt01,detail,0&cntnt01articleid=83&cntnt01returnid=61

Servowatch secures a second project with Hyundai. This time to supply its world class IPMS capability for two new build Philippines Frigates.

Category: 2017
 

Hyundai's HDF-3000 FFX-I Frigate is the basis for design of the Philippine Navy’s vessels

Servowatch, a leading supplier of advanced integrated ship control systems, is very proud to announce they have again been selected by Hyundai to supply their Integrated Platform Management System (IPMS). This down select will see Servowatch partnering with Hyundai Electric to provide its IPMS for installation into the Philippine Navy’s Future Frigate programme to be built in Hyundai’s Ulsan facility; the largest shipyard in the world.

The new frigates are expected to be a variant on Hyundai’s own HDF-3000 FFX-I Multipurpose Frigate. According to specifications provided by Hyundai, the design features a length of 114m, a beam of 14m and a hull draught of 4m. The platform has a standard displacement of approximately 3,000 tonnes and can accommodate engines in combined diesel (CODAD) or gas (CODOG) machinery arrangements.
 
Servowatch Systems’ scope of supply comprises an IPMS control and monitoring package for the vessels’ propulsion plant, electric power plant, auxiliary/ancillary system. Battle Damage Control System (BDCS) and On-board Training System (OBTS) are also to be included in scope of IPMS.
 
"With vessels increasing in complexity while simultaneously reducing crew sizes, systems integration is key to ensuring the functionality of critical equipments. Servowatch has introduced its most powerful IPMS solution allowing more COTS (commercial off-the-shelf) product integration. It reduces platform cost, integration time and commissioning, whilst retaining the survivability and power of the original Servowatch product," says: Wayne Ross, Chief Executive Officer, Servowatch.
 
"We are delighted to have been down selected again to work with Hyundai in Korea, this time for their Philippine Frigate project. Not only are we looking forward to building on our growing relationship with Hyundai’s own teams of experts to enhance the capability, service and support that Servowatch delivers to the Navy’s around the world, we are also looking forward to further growing our relationship with the Royal Philippine’s Navy."
 
"This second project win further cements our relationship with Hyundai and continues to demonstrate that Servowatch has what it takes to compete successfully in large scale naval projects," says Andrew Burns, Sales & Marketing Director, Servowatch.
 
The UK-headquartered company has invested heavily in the design and development of the next generation IPMS systems. Designed to commercial or military standards, principally for naval or larger complex commercial vessels, Servowatch offers a range of bespoke solutions to provide propulsion, electrical and auxiliary plant management from multifunction workstations with automation programmed into the system.
 
 
Servowatch Contact Details
Phone: +44 (0) 1621 855562
Fax: +44 (0) 1621 851521
Email: sales@servowatch.com
Web Site:www.servowatch.com
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Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2017, 08:06:39 AM »
Scuttlebutt says the Thales CMS has been ditched, along with other PN requirements for the frigates. The PN is now stark-raving mad, while the Koreans and DND have both agreed to the downgrades, notable of which is the Tacticos removed for the LigNex1 CMS, and the downgrade of the NS-106 to a less capable NS-100.

There is also very real possibility of other Thales products being replaced with Korean kimchi.


Retreacted for now. New info says the PN just came from talks with HHI in Korea. Guess they are with the program.
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Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2017, 05:30:42 PM »
The Royal Malaysian Navy did not want to have the SENIT CMS on their LCS (having the TACITCOS, COSYS110-M1, Nautis-F, IPN already in service). But Boustead went ahead with it anyway.  8)

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Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2017, 08:08:42 PM »
Scuttlebutt says the Thales CMS has been ditched, along with other PN requirements for the frigates. The PN is now stark-raving mad, while the Koreans and DND have both agreed to the downgrades, notable of which is the Tacticos removed for the LigNex1 CMS, and the downgrade of the NS-106 to a less capable NS-100.

There is also very real possibility of other Thales products being replaced with Korean kimchi.

Take care with that scuttlebutt.

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Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2017, 09:19:49 AM »
Discussion on equipment for 2 PH Navy missile frigates underway

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Discussions are ongoing to determine what equipment and major systems are to be installed in two of the country’s first-ever missile-capable frigates, Philippine Navy (PN) flag-officer-in-command Vice Admiral Ronald Joseph Mercado said.

“The frigate project is now on the planning stage. Discussions are ongoing to agree on equipment and major systems to be installed. After this, construction will start,” Mercado said in a text message to the Philippine News Agency (PNA) Friday when asked for updates on the Armed Forces’ modernization program.

Asked if this stage includes selection of weapons, propulsion and sensor systems for the two frigates, Mercado replied, “This stage involves everything about the ship.”

The Navy chief, however, did not give specifics on when the discussions would conclude.

Mercado headed the technical working group that came up with the specifications of the country’s first-ever missile-capable frigates.

Meanwhile, Department of National Defense (DND) spokesperson Arsenio Andolong said the implementation of the country’s frigate acquisition project has already begun and is proceeding as scheduled.

“Construction will commence in accordance with the timetable,” he added.

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Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2017, 05:50:50 PM »
Scuttlebutt says the Thales CMS has been ditched, along with other PN requirements for the frigates. The PN is now stark-raving mad, while the Koreans and DND have both agreed to the downgrades, notable of which is the Tacticos removed for the LigNex1 CMS, and the downgrade of the NS-106 to a less capable NS-100.

There is also very real possibility of other Thales products being replaced with Korean kimchi.

As much as PN tries 'to protest' -- HHI is already backed with the signed contract (with DND*) to deliver the minimum specifications on the written document.  There are some rumored twists to this, but those are only in murmurs and low voices not above breathing noise.  HHI is under the nose of it's financial backers to churn out profit wherever it can.  This is all business transaction to them, shrewd or otherwise.

One basic problem in retrospect -- is of not being allowed by the procurement law to specifically use actual brands or brand-baselines on bid specifications.  We have had discussion that DSOM had already took care of this before the PNoy, but reversion took place -- and thus this is the one sum of that undoing. 
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Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2017, 06:07:31 PM »
Scuttlebutt says the Thales CMS has been ditched, along with other PN requirements for the frigates. The PN is now stark-raving mad, while the Koreans and DND have both agreed to the downgrades, notable of which is the Tacticos removed for the LigNex1 CMS, and the downgrade of the NS-106 to a less capable NS-100.

There is also very real possibility of other Thales products being replaced with Korean kimchi.


Retreacted for now. New info says the PN just came from talks with HHI in Korea. Guess they are with the program.

If so, will the chance of having subsystems as PN wanted  get materialized?

In respect also with the depreciable peso, is there any consideration that the contract price getting increased?
Never assume unless it is highly stated.

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Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2017, 08:43:02 AM »
Scuttlebutt says the Thales CMS has been ditched, along with other PN requirements for the frigates. The PN is now stark-raving mad, while the Koreans and DND have both agreed to the downgrades, notable of which is the Tacticos removed for the LigNex1 CMS, and the downgrade of the NS-106 to a less capable NS-100.

There is also very real possibility of other Thales products being replaced with Korean kimchi.

Take care with that scuttlebutt.

I agree be careful with the scuttlebutt, rumors and unsupported information.

Why will be the PN raving mad? As I explained on Facebook the project will start with the PN TWG to which it will specify the specs. Now in cases where the specs set will be generic, the supplier will suggest what are the options to make the specs to be more specific to the need of the buyer.

Its just like this, you want a bicycle but you did not specify what do you want in the bicycle so the vendor will tell you here is your options. From there once you say this is what you want you know agree to purchase.

Take note if there will be some changes it will not be HHI talking or agree with DND. HHI will talk to PN since the buyer of the ships is PN not DND. Once the purchase contract is signed off between HHI and PN wala ng galawan. Pag may manipulation na mangyari plain and simple breach of contract yun.

Now kung natapos na yung barko bago i-release yan sa PN there will be testing and there will be a record of compliance and to state as indicated on the contract the ships meet the spec required by the customer (which is PN, not DND).

Ano ba ang trabaho ng DND sa program na ito? They are to approve program and allocate budget (only when they are satisfied with the CAPEX justification provided by PN) na kung above sa approval nila aabot sa Presidente. Take note why will the DND spend tax payers money to shove it to PN's throat and say "ayan gamitin niyo." 


https://www.facebook.com/groups/rpdefense/permalink/1422750781144098/


From my fb reply - I have been dealing with HHI since 2014, our company provides them with valves for the Marine Industry, we have dealt with MTU and Wartsilla which are also in the Marine industry. Anyone of you familiar with PPAP? Before a new product can be launch this is the required documents. PPAP stands for Production Parts Approval Process. The project team are composed of members from both sides PN & HHI, there are elements that needs to be satisfied in order for the project to proceed, one of the element is Team Feasibility & Commitment. Mind you no one will sign this document if none is in agreement, for this document signify that its a mutual understanding. Specs will always come from the buyer which is PN and HHI will meet the buyer specs. Now in the event the supplier cannot meet customer spec most often some customers are unsure that its what they want (it happened to us before when dealing with Cummins on their engines they seem to change spec on the go) there will be counter proposal coming from vendor and will be subject for review by customer and again will undergo a process called DVP&R (Design Verification Process & Reports) now if this revise specs still meets customer requirement to a certain point (be reminded Design process is not as easy as writing a sentence) program can still proceed with TFC. It does not end there for there will be a series of testing to be done, does it meet capability required, does it pass testing, each major component will be reviewed thru PFMEA to review the risk and how to mitigate those risk plus there will be Control Plan in place. Years back the Navy underwent ISO9001 certification this is to keep up with current trends and with the automotive industry standard TS16949 being adopted by almost every industry including Marine, the biggest risk to be mitigated here is the lost of life. Which is why am not throwing any kibosh items here. Even pressure from the powers to be is very unlikely to sway a project leader.

I have generated PPAP to multiple Marine Industry companies. I sign on these TFCs, submit reports to them to make sure it conforms to spec (ie blue prints/drawings or test requirements).

Please consider what I shared to you as my work experience, I work with customer design engineers, supplier engineers and mind you I cannot do any shortcuts with them, heck I even work with my supplier engineers and they too cannot just give me bad parts without me or my co-workers detecting it.

So we might as well give these people the opportunity to work on this FF project. Btw its seldom for the President of the company (in this case FOIC) to head a TWG. Its delegated to a Project Director. Keep that in mind before making conclusions

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The intermediate document that you are pertaining to is to say that the project has been reviewed and endorsed to higher authorities for approval. Process could be TWG has concluded that the project is acceptable based on capability and specifications, it will be submitted to FOIC for review and final deliberation (if needed), FOIC will then generate a CAPEX request for the $$$ is way above his approving powers. FOIC signs off on CAPEX request to be endorsed to the SND for approval, if the $$$ limit is above then it will go to the President himself to sign the CAPEX. This practice is pretty much standard as part of SOCS. FOIC's signature is key to say yes I want this, buy me this.

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Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2017, 07:47:18 AM »
Because the internet is forever

Time to capture this so that folks can contrast this with what actually comes out. Two dates to note:

October 20, 2017 (US Pacific Time): When this article came out

June 2017: The date of a critical conference that key folks were not invited to . . . resulting in memes being created in social media.


The following was posted on the forum's FB extension here:

https://m.facebook.com/groups/781170378635478?view=permalink&id=1463320303753812&ref=m_notif&notif_t=like


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Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
« Reply #27 on: October 21, 2017, 01:31:46 AM »
One of the current bones of contention

What are Combat Management Systems?

The Philippine Navy Frigate Acquisition Project, specifically Supplemental Bid Bulletin #DND/PN-FAP-16-01, described the PN's preferred CMS as follows:



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Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
« Reply #29 on: October 24, 2017, 02:01:25 PM »
Press release from Kelvin Hughes. Reproduced in its entirety.

SHARPEYE™ RADAR SYSTEM FOR PHILIPPINE NAVY FAP
23 Oct 2017

https://www.kelvinhughes.com/news/300-sharpeye-radar-system-for-philippine-navy-fap

Hyundai Heavy Industries (HHI) have contracted Kelvin Hughes to supply I Band and E/F Band SharpEye™ radars.

The Philippine Navy Frigate Acquisition Project (FAP) was awarded to HHI in October 2016 to build two 2,600 ton frigates for hand over starting in 2020. Kelvin Hughes has announced it is to supply HHI two SharpEye™ navigation radars along with multifunction bridge radar displays for the Philippine Navy FAP.

This follows the announcement by Kelvin Hughes in September that HHI contracted the company to supply the Integrated Navigation Bridge System (INBS) for The Royal New Zealand Navy (RNZN) Maritime Sustainment Capability (MSC) Vessel.

The new naval vessels for the Philippine Navy are expected to have enhanced survivability, seakeeping and manoeuvring capability and be operable in up to Sea State 5 and also have stealth characteristics. The vessels (hull numbers P159 and P160) will be further complemented by the low Radar Cross Section (RCS) design of the upmast SharpEye™ radar sensor carbon fibre housing and antenna turning unit. What’s more the reduced probability of intercept by ESM equipment characteristic inherent from the SharpEye™’s 300W low power output further aligns to the requirements derived from the HHI HDF-3000 frigate design.

SharpEye Naval Radar

With its solid-state technology, SharpEye™ radar systems deliver an advanced pulse-compressed Doppler navigation and situational awareness capability that can provide early warning not only of the presence of larger vessels but also small targets and asymmetric threats with a low RCS such as RHIBs, small wooden boats, USVs and jet skis. Operating in I and E/F Band, the new radar will enable the ships to distinguish between genuine targets and environmental clutter even in the most adverse weather conditions.

SharpEye™ transmits a low power, patented pulse sequence enabling short, medium and long range radar returns to be detected simultaneously. Doppler processing of radar returns provides coherent information concerning a target’s velocity and ensures the detection of very small and slow moving objects. Through a series of electronic filters, SharpEye™ is able to distinguish between targets of interest and clutter whilst customisable waveforms can be configured for specific threats and to detect specific targets such UAVs, drones and helicopters.

Radar Display

With its solid state electronics, and therefore no magnetron, SharpEye™ is highly reliable and requires no routine maintenance. Moreover, with an upmast transceiver, there is no waveguide to compromise citadel integrity and signal loss is reduced.

Mark Butler, Regional Sales Manager at Kelvin Hughes said: “SharpEye™ is ideally suited to frigates, corvettes and OPVs operating in high clutter conditions and for navies undertaking modernisation programmes where the upmast equipment contributes to the stealth or RCS reduction requirements. I am extremely pleased that Kelvin Hughes is working with HHI on this project.”

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