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Frigate Acquisition Project: Missile System
« on: April 05, 2018, 02:16:38 PM »
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Re: Frigate Acquisition Project: Missile System
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2018, 04:24:31 AM »
The graphic that HHI released about the FAP has led to a fair amount of speculation about what systems would be installed on the frigates. Graphics, however, are not the same as actual documentation . . . or what we'll see when the ship actually arrives. So these are, at best, simply guesses based an official hint.

One prominent feature on the HHI graphic is the use of what appears to be VLS launchers



Being a Korean design, that arguably would put the K-VLS in the running

From: http://www.hanwha-defensesystems.co.kr/mobile/eng/products/launcher.do



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Re: Frigate Acquisition Project: Missile System
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2018, 11:25:22 AM »
Note how this press release confirms the VLS option.

As confirmed by Janes, with their own independent fact checking.

http://www.janes.com/article/75871/hyundai-selects-turkish-30-mm-naval-gun-system-for-philippine-navy-frigates

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Hyundai selects Turkish 30 mm naval gun system for Philippine Navy frigates

Ridzwan Rahmat - IHS Jane's Navy International
21 November 2017

Key Points
  • The Philippine Navyís new frigates will each feature a 30 mm gun system from Aselsan
  • The Turkish company is gaining a foothold in the region, and is also in talks with the Philippine government regarding further orders

The Philippine Navyís (PNís) new frigates will be equipped with the SMASH 30 mm remote controlled stabilised naval gun system from Turkish defence systems provider, Aselsan, an official from the company confirmed with Janeís on 20 November.

Each frigate will be equipped with one SMASH 30 mm system as a secondary weapon, and the system will be fully integrated with the platformís combat management system (CMS), said the official. Janeís understands that the weapon will be situated in the platformís stern section, facing its flight deck.

South Korean shipbuilder Hyundai Heavy Industries (HHI) won a contract in 2016 to supply the PN with two 2,600-tonne frigates that derive its design from the Republic of Korea Navyís (RoKNís) Incheon (FFX-I) class. Besides the 30 mm gun system, the warship is also expected to be equipped with an eight-cell vertical launching system (VLS) installed at the forward section, and a 76 mm naval gun.

According to specifications provided by Aselsan, the SMASH system is fitted with a 30 mm Mk 44 Bushmaster-II cannon that can fire up to 200 rounds/minute, and can be operated either via an operator console or in automatic tracking mode.

The system can be equipped with an electro-optic sight package containing a thermal camera, a video camera, and laser range finder, and also operate in surveillance mode to improve the platformís situational awareness. The turret can be fed via two separate ammunition stowage lines.



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Re: Frigate Acquisition Project: Missile System
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2018, 05:26:56 PM »
So does that imply the Haesong ASM? Or is the Harpoon an option as well?

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Re: Frigate Acquisition Project: Missile System
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2018, 07:12:31 PM »
So does that imply the Haesong ASM? Or is the Harpoon an option as well?

It depends. If it's a Mk.41 VLS that gets installed, we need to ask if it's a Strike-length VLS or the shorter variants that accommodate only SAMs.

Arguably, K-VLS would give us a supply that so far has proven they do not care about typical western sensibilities like human rights or other similar issues we now face from traditional suppliers.

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Re: Frigate Acquisition Project: Missile System
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2018, 09:32:24 AM »
Pardon my ignorance, sir Ma..

whats the difference between Strike Length and shorter variants of Mk 41 VLS?

How many missiles can be installed on each cell for strike length and shorter variants?

does the K-VLS compatible with any SAM system susch Sea Barak 8 or Sea Specter or Mica?

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Re: Frigate Acquisition Project: Missile System
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2018, 02:24:06 PM »
Looking at the PN requirements for the 8 Cell VLS, its not really clear if PN requires Air defense missile, ATBM ballistic missile or Land attack Missile.

For the Air Defense missile which is I reckon a better option for PN is to go for a Quad Pack VLS as this will augment the existing Ship defense system having only two MBDA Simbad RC missile launcher which is range wise is too short and incapable when a series of air attacks will be launch against this these two PN frigate.

Simbad RC missile launcher:

Looking at the Simbad RC laucher having two short range missile loaded at a time, when you have Sea skimming anti ship missile, Fighter Jet launching a couple of missile against you, imagine how can you do manual reload quickly when this ship is under attached from a variety of air threats?

A Quad Pack Air defense VLS missile is the best way to go for PN as good multiplier for air defense capability , not sure if Korean variant also has the Quadpack VLS equivalent like this one from Lockheed Martin's Mk. 41 VLS, which can carry 32 missiles for an 8 VLS Quad pack system.



This are the family of Vertical launch missile and we are not sure at this stage if what are variety of K-VLS missile family.








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Re: Frigate Acquisition Project: Missile System
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2018, 11:17:54 PM »
Pardon my ignorance, sir Ma..

whats the difference between Strike Length and shorter variants of Mk 41 VLS?

How many missiles can be installed on each cell for strike length and shorter variants?

does the K-VLS compatible with any SAM system susch Sea Barak 8 or Sea Specter or Mica?

The Mk.41 variants and the missiles they can accommodate are as follows:

Strike length
-Tomahawk
-SM-2 Blk IV/SM-3
-everything Tactical and Self-Defense length variants can carry

Tactical length
-ASROC
-SM-2 Blk II, III
-Aster 30
-everything the Self-Defense variant can carry

Self-Defense length
-RIM-7 Sea Sparrow
-Quad-packed ESSM
-Aster 15

So you can see, there are multiple Mk41 variants with different capabilities. 8 cell installations are usually either Self-Defense or in some occassions, Tactical length cells. The main difference between all 3 is the height of the reload canisters they can accommodate. Strike cells can handle large missiles like the Tomahawk.
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Re: Frigate Acquisition Project: Missile System
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2018, 09:19:07 AM »
thank you, Sir Ma for the info...



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Re: Frigate Acquisition Project: Missile System
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2019, 10:17:00 AM »
Is this for the Simbad-RC missile system?

How about the 8-cell VLS & CIWS? I think this should be fitted right away and cut the FFBNW crap, this is mandatory requirement for a survivable 'modern' frigate for crying out loud.

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Re: Frigate Acquisition Project: Missile System
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2019, 04:36:38 PM »
MBDA France bags contract for frigates' surface-to-air missiles
By Priam Nepomuceno  March 8, 2019, 3:04 pm

http://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1064001?fbclid=IwAR1fCwXWzF-_KMGCgvIQzUAXW6kpdDJnmuqPPkoBPkSANmqWqP4BVRrNIO8

MANILA -- A European firm bagged the contract to supply surface-to-air missiles for the two frigates currently being constructed by South Korean shipbuilder, Hyundai Heavy Industries (HHI).

In a Notice of Award dated January 30 posted on the Department of National Defense website, the agency accepted the bid of MBDA France to supply the surface-to-air missiles for 10,690,000 Euros (PHP639,262,000).

The amount is pegged at an exchange rate where one euro is equivalent to PHP59.80, during the time when the notice of award was issued.

"This is to inform you that the proposal of MBDA France for the Acquisition of Frigate Lot 2 (Missiles and Munition) -- Lot 2B Surface-to-Air Missile Project of the Philippine Navy, with a corresponding contract price in the amount of Ten Million Six Hundred Ninety Thousand Euros (10,690,000 Euros) is hereby accepted," Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana said in the notice.

Earlier, the Department of National Defense Bids and Awards Committee 1, in a resolution, declared MBDA France's proposal as the "Single Calculated and Response Quotation for the Acquisition of Frigate Lot 2 (Missiles and Munition) -- Lot 2B Surface-to-Air Missile Project and Recommending the Issuance of a Notice of Award in its Favor."

Philippine Navy (PN) flag-officer-in-command Vice Admiral Robert Empedrad, earlier, announced that the construction of the first missile-armed frigates is proceeding smoothly.

"(Construction for) our (first-missile) frigate is moving forward. Darating na siya sa (It will arrive by) February (or) March of 2020, all systems go and we should be very happy. We should be happy for our country," he added.

The keel-laying for the first-missile-armed frigate took place last October 16 in Ulsan, South Korea while the steel-cutting for the second ship took place last September 17, 2018.

The steel cutting for the first frigate took place on April of the same year.

HHI is expected to lay the keel of the second frigate by the first quarter of 2019.

The Philippines and HHI signed a PHP16-billion contract for two missile-armed frigates, with another PHP2 billion set aside for its weapon systems and munition. The projected delivery date of the first frigate is by 2020, and the second one, in 2021. (PNA)

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Re: Frigate Acquisition Project: Missile System
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2019, 04:46:54 AM »
Isa sa pinakamodernong warship ng PH pinasinayaan | TV Patrol
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Published on May 23, 2019

https://youtu.be/7OA7Ji6Ys1I

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