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Threat index: Fighter talk
« on: October 13, 2017, 09:47:29 AM »
The following fighter discussions are available on the forum. We have consolidated them here for ease of reference.

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General topics

Why Sloppy Accounting Is Destroying the US Fighter Inventory

Thread index

Aircraft Discussions
Cost of operation (per-flight-hour)

Note: Cost-per-flight hour is a function many factors, to include operational tempo and manpower costs.
Therefore, the applicability of these values to the Philippines will vary greatly

AIDC F-CK-1 Ching-Kuo           Ching-Kuo (IDF) Multirole Fighter Jet 
Boeing (McDonnel Douglas) F-4 Phantom      USAF F-4 involvement during the 1989 coup
Iran Air Force (IRIAF) F-14, F-5 and F-4

Boeing F-15 Eagle F-15 Eagle thread index

F-15C/D: $38,843 (USAF, 2016)
F-15E: $27,203 (USAF, 2016)
Boeing F/A-18 Hornet / Super Hornet F/A-18 Hornet / Super Hornet
EA-18G Growler
F-18 Advanced Super Hornet
RMAF F/A-18D Hornet
Canada to launch future fighter competition . . .

$24,400 (Janes estimate, 2012)
Chengdu J-10 J-10 (Jian 10) multirole tactical fighter
China’s first female pilot of J-10 fighter jets dies . . .

Chengdu J-20 Chengdu J-20
Dassault Mirage 2000 Mirage 2000
Dassault Rafale Rafale Multi-Role Combat Fighter
Rafale lands on USS Eisenhower
India Rafale jet deal
Rafale @ Egypt
Malaysia eyed for Rafale sales

$16,500 (Janes, 2012)
Eurofighter Typhoon Typhoon Tranche 3
Eurofighter Typhoon
Qatar signs for Eurofighters
$18,000 (Janes estimate, 2012)
HAL Tejas Tejas Light Combat Aircraft
IAI Kfir  IAI outlines Kfir developments . . .
Iranian Air Force Sanghe Iran Air Force (IRIAF) F-14, F-5 and F-4
Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon F-16 thread index

F-16C/D: $20,318 (USAF, 2016)
$7,000 (Janes, 2012)
$7,000 (Indonesia)
Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor F-22 Raptor
Russian Su-25 Almost Hits US F-22 . . .
F-22A: $59,166
Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II F-35 Lightning II index

F-35A: $42,169
Mikoyan Mig-21 Russia's MiG-21: . . . Could Fly for 100 Years?
Mikoyan Mig-29 MiG-29 start-up to shut down (Polish AF)
Malaysia Grounds MiG-29s . . .
Mikoyan Mig-29 (Fulcrum)
PAF evaluation of the Mig-29
The Algerian Mig-29 fiasco
MiG-29s to be phased out by end-2010
Mikoyan Mig-31 MiG-31 (Foxhound) 
Mikoyan Mig-35 MiG-35 (Fulcrum F) thread index 
Mitsubishi F-2   Mitsubishi F-2
Northrop Grumman F-5 F-5 Upgrades, Tiger II and other variants
Northrop Grumman F-14 Tomcat  Tomcat in the movies
Iran Air Force (IRIAF) F-14, F-5 and F-4
PAC/CAC JF-17 Thunder  JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong (Fiece Dragon)

Twin-seat JF-17B/FC-1B fighter makes first flight

JF-17 for Nigeria

JF-17 for Myanmar
Saab Gripen Gripen thread index

Sweden wants in on Philippine defense market
$4,700 (Janes, 2012)
$6,300-$7,800 (South Africa, 2017)
Shenyang J-11 SAC J-11 
Shenyang J-15    J-15 Flying Shark 
Shenyang J-16 PLA Flanker family
Shenyang J-31 SAC J-31
Sukhoi Su-27 Flanker thread index
Sukhoi Su-30 Flanker thread index $7,000 (Indonesia)
Sukhoi Su-33 Sukhoi Su-33
Sukhoi SU-35 Flanker thread index $14,000 (Indonesia, estimate)
Sukhoi Su-57 (T-50 /Sukhoi PAK-FA stealth fighter) Sukhoi SU-57


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Re: Threat index: Fighter talk
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2017, 11:54:30 AM »
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Re: Threat index: Fighter talk
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2018, 12:33:12 PM »


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Re: Threat index: Fighter talk
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2018, 03:05:01 PM »

IHS Jane’s is pleased to provide this Fast Jet Operating Cost White Paper for Saab AB, covering cost per hour of flight calculations (CPFH) for the Lockheed Martin F-16, Boeing F18 E / F Super Hornet, Lockheed Martin F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, Saab Gripen, Dassault Rafale and EuroFighter Typhoon. IHS Jane’s undertook this project through use of primary and secondary source research, combined with our in-house databases and a modelled assessment of relative cost based on fuel usage. Owing to the differing methods of calculating aircraft operating cost per flight hour and the large number of interlinked factors that affect such a calculation, IHS Jane’s believes that any flight hour cost figure can only be regarded as indicative and that there is no single correct answer to such a calculation.

However, we believe that our results are of considerable merit and provide a useful benchmark when considering the costs associated with operating contemporary high
performance combat aircraft. Based on our research and analysis, IHS Jane’s has concluded the following:

1) The Saab Gripen is the least expensive of the aircraft under study in terms of cost per flight hour (CPFH). This is based on reported costs covering only:

– Fuel used
– Pre-flight preparation and repair
– Scheduled airfield-level maintenance together with associated personnel costs

2) At an estimated $4,700 per hour (2012 USD), the Gripen compares very favourably with the Block 40 / 50 F-16s which are its closest competitor at an estimated $7,000 per hour

The F-35 and twin-engined designs are all significantly more expensive per flight hour owing to their larger size, heavier fuel usage and increased number of airframe and systems parts to be maintained and repaired. IHS Jane’s believes that aircraft unit cost and size is therefore roughly indicative of comparative CPFH

3) IHS Jane’s has been unable accurately to determine the constituent costs of fuel, spare parts, repairs and personnel that constituted each of the aircrafts’ stated CPFH. However, based on a 2005 USAF study of F-16s, IHS Jane’s believes the CPFH is composed of approximately:

– 10-15% Consumable Supplies (small parts, wiring, basic electrical components)
– 20-25% Sortie Aviation Fuel
– 60-70% Depot Level Repair and Systems Maintenance

4) IHS Jane’s believes that individual aircraft or air force CPFH will also depend on the impact of less tangible CPFH constituent factors. Such variable likely to impact CPFH include:
– Flight Profile
– Onboard Systems
– Aircraft Age
– Unit Location
– Sortie Rate


IHS Jane’s stresses that without access to comprehensive military data over a significant timeframe these conclusions can only be regarded as approximate and are an average cost across an entire fleet. Individual aircraft CPFH will vary significantly. However, based on the level of data available IHS Jane’s is able to ascribe the following probability to our results:

• The F-18, F-16 and Gripen CPFH results are the most certain, with good primary and secondary source data supported by logical results from our deductive modelling

• The EuroFighter and Rafale figures are less certain owing to the incomplete nature of the data available, though the comparative modelling output appears to confirm IHS Jane’s estimates

• The F-35 costs remain less certain owing to the absence of actual in-service data; IHS Jane’s does not feel that the modelled fuel cost figure is representative of likely
CPFH costs




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The air force gets its CPFH numbers, dated 26 January, by dividing the of operating and sustainment cost of an aircraft by the number of hours flown to predict future funding allocations.

Northrop Grumman’s RQ-4B survived termination in part by dramatically lowering its CPFH in 2013 and 2014, according to company and air force officials. Its flight-hour costs came down 5.7% in 2015 to $14,030 with 31 aircraft in the inventory.

The aircraft’s 32 manned rivals, the Lockheed U-2S fleet, experienced a 5.9% increase in flight-hour costs and maintained a 68% mission-capable rate compared to the Global Hawk’s 78%.

The air force data shows the service maintaining fighter force of 1,660 aircraft including twin-seat trainers with an average cost of $34,000 per flight hour – the cheapest being the F-16C with a mission-ready rate of 73%, and most expensive being the stealthy, supermanoeuvrable F-22A (67%).

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Re: Threat index: Fighter talk
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2018, 01:40:40 PM »


This report, and the project that generated it, started from a seemingly straightforward question: What are the most appropriate metrics that high-level Department of Defense (DoD) decisionmakers can use to compare the operating and support (O&S) costs of different aircraft?

Such a comparison could inform acquisition choices (e.g., Is a prospective replacement aircraft worth purchasing?) or decisions about retaining existing fleets and shaping force structure (e.g., Are O&S cost trends for different aircraft evolving favorably or unfavorably?).

This seemingly straightforward question encounters several complications in real-world application. The complications include whether all elements of O&S costs should be included or just a subset of the total. In particular, should costs that are relatively fixed each year, such as personnel costs, be included? Or should only clearly variable costs, such as those for fuel and consumable and reparable parts, be included?

How should costs be normalized when comparing costs for aircraft at different stages in the O&S phase, or with vastly different usage rates, or with different capabilities? In this report, we discuss these issues for metrics of aircraft O&S costs, as well as appropriate implementation of these metrics.

Cost per flying hour (CPFH) is a well-known DoD cost metric. As the name suggests, CPFH is calculated as an aircraft fleet’s costs divided by its flying hours:

CPFH = Total O&S Costs / Total Flying Hours