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Magdalo lawmaker urges govít scrap order for 2 warships
« on: January 17, 2018, 12:05:10 PM »
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Magdalo lawmaker urges govít scrap order for 2 warships
By: Vince F. Nonato - Reporter / @VinceNonato
INQ Philippine Daily Inquirer / 07:22 AM January 17, 2018
Gary Lejano - House of Representatives - 15 May 2017
Rep. Gary Alejano (Photo by AARON FAVILA / AP)

Magdalo Rep. Gary Alejano has called on the government to cancel the purchase order for two warships, claiming the Philippine Navy has been ďbaitedĒ by the contractor into going for inferior technology and giving up its right to choose the vesselsí defense systems.

In a privilege speech on Monday evening, Alejano claimed the P15.5-billion Frigate Acquisition Project was a case where the ďcontractor won over the Navy.Ē

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Re: Magdalo lawmaker urges govít scrap order for 2 warships
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2018, 01:44:20 PM »
Who would benefit from a reset?

With relations with Italians soured by the Maestrale deal. Who would be left?

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Re: Magdalo lawmaker urges govít scrap order for 2 warships
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2018, 02:38:39 PM »
Why allow fine-print provisions in the first place?

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Fine-print provisions

He said the ďmakerís listĒ had provisions written in fine print at the bottom, stating ďthe final selection of the maker to be shipbuilderís sole right as long as the equipment/system shall fulfill the ownerís requirements in building specifications and other design and build aspects.Ē

That document allegedly bore the signatures of only two Koreans. This provision supposedly allowed HHI to overrule the Navyís preferences.

ďIn my investigation, HHI employed the strategy called Ďbait and switch,í which means the contractor baits the buyer or client by offering superior systems or products and once he bags the contract he will find means to go around and eventually choose the lesser or inferior and thus cheaper systems or products to maximize profits,Ē Alejano said.

ďIn other words, you will be lured into the trap first and once youíre inside, thereís no escaping,Ē he added.

When top Navy officers learned that they have been had, Alejano said, they drew their version of the makerís list stating the Navy had the right to choose the makers for its warshipsí operational requirements.

But the Korean contractor disregarded the Navyís version, saying the contract had already been signed (on Oct. 24, 2016) and the government had already made a 15-percent down payment.

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Re: Magdalo lawmaker urges govít scrap order for 2 warships
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2018, 05:37:27 PM »
maybe, we could revisit the GRSE Deal...


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Re: Magdalo lawmaker urges govít scrap order for 2 warships
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2018, 11:24:19 PM »
maybe, we could revisit the GRSE Deal...

And deal with the clusterf*ck below?

CAG lays bare breaches in Navyís anti-sub corvettes
Jayanta Gupta | TNN | Updated: Jul 23, 2017, 03:38 IST

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kolkata/cag-lays-bare-breaches-in-navys-anti-sub-corvettes/articleshow/59719163.cms

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According to one of the CAG's latest reports, the Directorate of Naval Design (DND) hadn't finalized the design for the ASW corvettes when issuing the Letter of Intent to Garden Reach Shipbuilders and Engineers (GRSE) Ltd in Kolkata. DND finalized the design in 2006 but continued to modify it till 2008.

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"The drop in the achievement of the specified speed was mainly due to the increase in their weights by over 800 tonnes," the report states. The increase in weight of the corvettes was due to the adoption of various signature reduction measures or stealth capabilities. In a last ditch effort to maintain proper weight, the DND suggested in May 2009 that GRSE use composite superstructures instead of steel ones in the last three of four corvettes of the Kamorta-class being built by GRSE. This would bring down their weights by 70-80 tonnes each. However, due to the lead time required in procuring composite material from foreign vendors, GRSE is using them only in the last two ships that are yet to be delivered.

It was also observed during audit that the INS Kamorta and INS Kadmatt haven't been fitted with a particular weapon and sensor systems and can't perform to their full potential. Till December, 2016, the Harbour Acceptance Trials of the INS Kadmatt were still pending. Sea Acceptance Test (SAT) is also conducted to test a vessel's speed, maneuverability, equipment and safety features.
"It was observed that SAT on six weapons and sensors on the INS Kamorta and all weapons and sensors on INS Kadmatt are pending satisfactory completion. Thus, the effectiveness of the main features of anti-submarine warfare are yet to be proved," the report states.

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Re: Magdalo lawmaker urges govít scrap order for 2 warships
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2018, 07:55:30 AM »
as i understand the article.. it has been corrected on the third and fourth ships

such issues can be addressed in the negotiation table.

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Re: Magdalo lawmaker urges govít scrap order for 2 warships
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2018, 11:25:00 AM »
as i understand the article.. it has been corrected on the third and fourth ships

such issues can be addressed in the negotiation table.

It speaks to how little experience the Indians have in shipbuilding.

Note how the use of graphite in the superstructure was part of their solution.

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Re: Magdalo lawmaker urges govít scrap order for 2 warships
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2018, 04:51:58 PM »
in gaming terms: Rep Alejano urges the government to "rage-quit".

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Re: Magdalo lawmaker urges govít scrap order for 2 warships
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2018, 06:02:21 PM »
From DND's official Facebook Page:



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https://web.facebook.com/DNDPHL/posts/1685523654837977
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Re: Magdalo lawmaker urges govít scrap order for 2 warships
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2018, 09:54:54 PM »
As what I see here, They need to continue this project to avoid public humiliation, This letter from Former navy Chief Ronald Mercado
https://scontent.fmnl9-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26904676_1420169448109023_7368227756465836965_n.png?oh=61be8c7650243623723c4cd8a3ddfdee&oe=5AF1214D
Shows there negligence in signing the disadvantageous contract, terminating the contract will expose DND's Lapses as we see in the signatories of the contract are Lorenzana itself and Robert Empedrad. this will backfire to them once they cancel this project https://www.facebook.com/Maxdefense/photos/pcb.653953494775311/653952718108722/?type=3&theater

From DND's official Facebook Page:



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https://web.facebook.com/DNDPHL/posts/1685523654837977

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Re: Magdalo lawmaker urges govít scrap order for 2 warships
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2018, 10:32:47 AM »
It is most unfortunate that an opportunity to take long hard look at the skill-sets required to improve our acquisition process has been overtaken by political maneuvering. This is actually why I separate discussions about this political discussion from the actual discussion about the Frigates themselves . . . and from the political infighting in the PN

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Re: Magdalo lawmaker urges govít scrap order for 2 warships
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2018, 04:30:51 PM »
DND welcomes Senate plan to probe frigate project
By Priam Nepomuceno  January 19, 2018, 2:58 pm

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The agency have long been waiting for the opportunity to shed light on this issue so that the truth will finally be known.

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There is a proper process prescribed in RA 9184 (Government Procurement Reform Act) concerning the termination of a procurement project and there are specific conditions that must be present in order to invoke it, none of which are existing at the moment in this project...

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There is a contract for the FAP which was crafted mainly by the Philippine Navy and it will be implemented strictly to the letter.



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Re: Magdalo lawmaker urges govít scrap order for 2 warships
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2018, 03:02:56 AM »


"There is a proper process prescribed in RA 9184 (Government Procurement Reform Act) concerning the termination of a procurement project and there are specific conditions that must be present in order to invoke it, none of which are existing at the moment in this project..."

This is one of the things I was referring to on my other post regarding novation, etc.,. Again I have to refer to the FAR:


FAR -- Part 49
Termination of Contracts

(FAC 2005-95)
 (13 January 2017)

49.000 -- Scope of Part.

"This part establishes policies and procedures relating to the complete or partial termination of contracts for the convenience of the Government or for default. It prescribes contract clauses relating to termination and excusable delay and includes instructions for using termination and settlement forms."

I believe (and correct me if I am wrong), the RA did not preserve this right. one can only hope that the right to terminate for the convenience of the Philippine Government was included as an add on clause, this would have given DND a very powerful tool in dealing with contractors.



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Re: Magdalo lawmaker urges govít scrap order for 2 warships
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2018, 05:04:56 PM »
as i understand the article.. it has been corrected on the third and fourth ships

such issues can be addressed in the negotiation table.

Define "addressed".

The Indians calling graphite a composite makes it sound sexy, but they forget that graphite shatters at the first impact of appropriate magnitude.

Who says that impact won't be a Kamorta riding the waves in a storm?

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Re: Magdalo lawmaker urges govít scrap order for 2 warships
« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2018, 10:17:00 AM »
If invited, Bong Go says he'll attend Senate probe on frigate deal
(UPDATED) The Senate has not made clear its plans to invite President Rodrigo Duterte's most trusted aide

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Published 3:48 PM, January 19, 2018
Updated 4:37 PM, January 19, 2018

https://www.rappler.com/nation/194048-bong-go-attend-senate-probe-frigate-deal

MANILA, Philippines (UPDATED) Ė Special Assistant to the President Bong Go said he would attend the Senate probe on the P15.5-billion frigate deal if he receives an invitation.

"Kung sakaling ipatawag man ako ng Senado hinggil sa (If ever I'm called to the Senate on the) frigate issue, anywhere, anytime, I'm willing to face the accusers," Go said in a message to reporters on Friday, January 19.

He said the "accusations are false."

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Earlier that day, the Senate said it would investigate the big-ticket defense deal for two warships for the Philippine Navy.

Go was implicated in the deal after Rappler and the Philippine Daily Inquirer reported that a note from Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana indicated that he received from Go a white paper favoring a supplier for critical equipment for the ships.

Lorenzana later on confirmed he wrote the note but that he "wrongly" assumed that the document came from Go. The defense chief said he could not recall who in MalacaŮang gave him the document.

An undersecretary in Go's Office of the Special Assistant to the President also confirmed he arranged a meeting with Navy officers to discuss the selection of supplier for the Combat Management Systems (CMS) of the ships.

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But Lloyd Christopher Lao, the former undersecretary in Go's office who is now in the Housing and Land Use Regulatory Board, said the meeting was part of the mandate of Go's office to follow up on a complaint by winning bidder Hyundai Heavy Industries (HHI) about delays in the frigates project.

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