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adroth

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Marginal Terrain Assault Bridge for the Philippine Army
« on: October 25, 2016, 07:19:33 PM »
With the Philippine Army now thoroughly an M-113 / ACV-300 show, would it not make sense for the PA RDC, perhaps in cooperation with the Government Arsenal, to consider constructing a bridgelayer for its armored vehicles?

The experimental MTAB was tried out in Vietnam, but never completely developed. Why not continue developed for our use?





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Re: Marginal Terrain Assault Bridge for the Philippine Army
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2016, 07:27:31 PM »
US Army report on this experiment. Engineering notes for us.

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/863262.pdf

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Re: Marginal Terrain Assault Bridge for the Philippine Army
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2016, 07:45:47 PM »
Haven't found a video of the MTAB yet. But just for reference, here's are videos of how bridgelayers work

Titan

https://youtu.be/CS44WdLQ4ko

US Army AVLB

https://youtu.be/0xUq5I_J3nI

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Re: Marginal Terrain Assault Bridge for the Philippine Army
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2016, 08:02:02 PM »
Why develop this locally since the requirement for AVBLs are likely to be small and there shld be plenty of options?

I don't know the full story about the MTAB but I would guess that the M113 chassis/power to weight, limited the load and size of the scissor bridge it could carry. Given the US Army 's need for mobility and to support up to MBT type loads, it wouldn't make sense to develop a 'light' AVBL.


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Re: Marginal Terrain Assault Bridge for the Philippine Army
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2016, 08:12:04 PM »
Why develop this locally since the requirement for AVBLs are likely to be small and there shld be plenty of options?

It would an interesting test of engineering capability.

Basing it on the M113 would simplify logistics, which is arguably the logic behind AVLBs being based on the MBTs they support.

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I don't know the full story about the MTAB but I would guess that the M113 chassis/power to weight, limited the load and size of the scissor bridge it could carry. Given the US Army 's need for mobility and to support up to MBT type loads, it wouldn't make sense to develop a 'light' AVBL.

Yup, it didn't make sense for the US Army given that it had alternative bridgelayers. Presumably this was meant for its SEA allies who were also M-113 users
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Re: Marginal Terrain Assault Bridge for the Philippine Army
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2016, 08:31:13 PM »
M113 users in this region got on fine without them or other platforms.

Actually, this is probably one area where non standard equipment, possibly even Russian might be used. The logistics footprint would be small and the equipment uncomplicated (e.g mainly mechanical), and does not cause any major change in doctrine.

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Re: Marginal Terrain Assault Bridge for the Philippine Army
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2016, 08:34:51 PM »
US Army report on this experiment. Engineering notes for us.

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/863262.pdf

Problems with the design. Lessons learned






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Re: Marginal Terrain Assault Bridge for the Philippine Army
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2016, 08:45:23 PM »
M113 users in this region got on fine without them or other platforms.

Did other M-113 users have alternative bridgelayers for larger vehicles?

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Actually, this is probably one area where non standard equipment, possibly even Russian might be used. The logistics footprint would be small and the equipment uncomplicated (e.g mainly mechanical), and does not cause any major change in doctrine.

That is a good point.

However, given the growing nationalist sentiment in the Philippines . . . this might very well be the opportune time for such a program as an enabler for other more complicated projects.

Pursuit of this program would not be purely for practical purposes.