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Re: PN Anti-Submarine Helicopter Acquisition Project
« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2018, 08:35:35 AM »
Is it still thales system on the helo and hanwha on the frig? If so, I think this would be the point where the pn should  go to hyundai and tell them: well, since you chose the cms, we want you to guarantee that the two systems will be able to “talk” for the duration of their projected lives. If it becomes necessary to either change the helicopter’s on board system or do modifications to the shipboard gear, you will be shouldering the cost” (and no using old, used, recycled from the korean navy stuff, either.) with the speed of upgrades, the last thing the pn should be told after one, two years, is that they need to buy new avionics for the helos. jm2c

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« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2018, 09:41:45 PM »
  Should not be an issue if the Korean wildcat's systems were integrated successfully with Korean frigates/ DDs using Hanwa CMS. That's "if". ACQ 101, before milestone A or B?

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Re: PN Anti-Submarine Helicopter Acquisition Project
« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2018, 12:51:02 PM »
lol! "if" bold and italicized.

Jetmech: I was looking at the lifecycle chart and I think its in between the end of milestone a and start of c. Milestone C is lrip but in this case, there is no lrip, its full production…..

For the curious ones, please see this site: https://www.dau.mil/tools/t/Department-of-Defense-Acquisition-Life-Cycle-Chart
heck...folks can probably use it as a checklist and see where they perceive the program is and what problems may pop up. mind you, the conclusion you have may not be the same as the PNs' (which is the official one).

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Re: PN Anti-Submarine Helicopter Acquisition Project
« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2018, 01:16:41 PM »
Is it still thales system on the helo and hanwha on the frig? If so, I think this would be the point where the pn should  go to hyundai and tell them: well, since you chose the cms, we want you to guarantee that the two systems will be able to “talk” for the duration of their projected lives. If it becomes necessary to either change the helicopter’s on board system or do modifications to the shipboard gear, you will be shouldering the cost” (and no using old, used, recycled from the korean navy stuff, either.) with the speed of upgrades, the last thing the pn should be told after one, two years, is that they need to buy new avionics for the helos. jm2c

The Korean navy itself uses the same integration. So all the PN would actually be doing would be piggy backing on a technology partnership that already exists, and is already curated by DAPA.

South Korea flexes new AW159 helicopter capability in anti-submarine drills | IHS Jane's 360 - 07 February 2017
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The exercises, which included the deployment of the helicopter's dipping sonar system, were conducted with a squadron of four airframes near the port of Busan, and tested helicopters' ability to interoperate with its surface ships to jointly prosecute submarines, said the service.

Also participating in the exercises was the service's Incheon (FFX-I)-class guided-missile frigate, RoKS Gwangju (817).

South Korea announced the acquisition of eight AW159 helicopters under the country's Maritime Operational Helicopter programme in 2013. The first batch of four helicopters was delivered in June 2016, while a subsequent batch of four was handed over by Leonardo's Helicopter Division in November the same year.


A Republic of Korea Navy AW159 helicopter, conducting drills with the Incheon-class frigate Gwangju in January 2017. Source: Republic of Korea Navy

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Re: PN Anti-Submarine Helicopter Acquisition Project
« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2018, 03:20:26 PM »
lol! "if" bold and italicized.

Jetmech: I was looking at the lifecycle chart and I think its in between the end of milestone a and start of c. Milestone C is lrip but in this case, there is no lrip, its full production…..

For the curious ones, please see this site: https://www.dau.mil/tools/t/Department-of-Defense-Acquisition-Life-Cycle-Chart
heck...folks can probably use it as a checklist and see where they perceive the program is and what problems may pop up. mind you, the conclusion you have may not be the same as the PNs' (which is the official one).

   The "ifs" are: Is the Wildcat of the PN completely identical with the SOKORs? If not, then that's another unknown. Or, was the SOKOR integration with surface ships made with CMS before the breakup of Thales/ Hanwa? Integration should have happened way before the production of the FFGs & the Wildcats. But this acquisition was ass backwards. They were still debating the CMS before the steel cutting! One software best practice: "design twice, code once" and design/ software changes takes more than 20% of acquisition budget. Life cycle support planning (cradle to grave) is the rest. Hopefully, there is no rewriting of software to integrate systems or inter-operatabilties with other Philippine assets, Del Pilars, MPACs (missile armed), coast watch systems (that balloon in Palawan) and what else. $$$$$$$ and time.

   Mr. A, I would be careful of SOKOR DAPA. How many SOKOR acquisitions (their own) lately have been identified with questionable dealings on their watch? Philippine interest first. 


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Re: PN Anti-Submarine Helicopter Acquisition Project
« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2018, 09:38:09 PM »
https://www.flickr.com/photos/13531741@N08/31792886018/

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ZZ549 - Wildcat Mk220 - Philippine Navy-LH
Outside the factory at Yeovil - 1st November 2018


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Re: PN Anti-Submarine Helicopter Acquisition Project
« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2018, 11:34:36 PM »
https://airforcesmonthly.keypublishing.com/2018/11/06/philippine-wildcat-under-test/?fbclid=IwAR2lEOjOjBTRcGwcEYaZA9609yP21Et-Znd1zgTfjpizq_ghOVCqVXQmdig

The first AW159 Wildcat multi-mission maritime helicopter for the Philippines is now under test in the UK. The rotorcraft was sighted recently at the Leonardo Helicopters facility in Yeovil, Somerset. Photographed yesterday by contributor Kevin Wills, the first of two AW159s for the Philippine Navy wears the UK military test serial ZZ549 and a British roundel. Philippine national markings and the Philippine Naval Air Group insignia have been applied. The aircraft reportedly made its first flight on November 1.

After the Philippine Navy selected the Wildcat as its preferred option for two new anti-submarine warfare (ASW) helicopters, on March 17, 2014 the Department of National Defence (DND) confirmed that 5.4bn pesos ($120.479m) had been approved for the acquisition. A formal contract was finally signed on March 29, 2016, and deliveries were scheduled to take place this year.

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Re: PN Anti-Submarine Helicopter Acquisition Project
« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2018, 11:20:00 AM »
From Scramble Magazine

https://www.facebook.com/groups/rpdefense/permalink/1908355222583649/

Kevin Wills provided us a very fine picture of the first of two AW159 Wildcats for the Pilipinas Hukbong Himpapawid (PHH, Philippine Naval Aviation).

The Leonardo Helicopters Wildcat, with UK roundel and flight test serial ZZ549, is currently under test from its birth ground Yeovil, Somerset (UK). The helicopter is already furnished with Philippine markings on the tail section and the Hukbong Dagat ng Pilipinas (HDP, Philippine Navy) badge on the pilots door.

It expected that the anti-submarine helicopters will be delivered in March 2019, three years after the Philippine Government signed the some USD 114 million contract for the Wildcats on 29 March 2016. The two AW159s will be based at Danielo Atienza air base but are also planned to embark the two HDP frigates on order from Hyundai Heavy Industries. The PHH already operates six AgustaWestland AW109E Powers and three Bo105Cs with Naval Air Squadron MF-40. Sister Naval Air Squadron MF-30 operates the fixed wing aircraft of the PHH, five BN-2As and three TC-90s.

Photo credit: Kevin Wills