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Manokski

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Re: FA-50PH's first combat mission?
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2017, 10:51:05 PM »
From a shoulder tap:

The FA50 usage was not supposed to come out, and the AFP is now doing damage control and spinning it their way.

I have a feeling that the AFP did not want to publicize the use of the FA50s to keep them distant from possible bans on further weapons acquisitions due to possible HR violations that may get tacked on it.
It will endanger the CAS (Super tuc et al) acquisition too. After all, if you can use it now, why get CAS at all?  Not my thinking of course but others do think that.

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Re: FA-50PH's first combat mission?
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2017, 11:11:07 PM »
From a shoulder tap:

The FA50 usage was not supposed to come out, and the AFP is now doing damage control and spinning it their way.

I have a feeling that the AFP did not want to publicize the use of the FA50s to keep them distant from possible bans on further weapons acquisitions due to possible HR violations that may get tacked on it.

They also arguably didn't anticipate the social media interest in the movement of the aircraft. Sources of the photos that circulated are actually asking people to un-share the images.

It took our community almost 10 years come up with the various info sharing safeguards (e.g., check with at least two sources . . . preferably from different services . . . if data is ok to share). The rest of defense social media still has to catch up.

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Re: FA-50PH's first combat mission?
« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2017, 03:50:53 AM »
Inquirer.net -  January 29, 2017
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Aside from Hapilon, six other terrorists including a foreigner were also wounded, according to Año, who got the number of casualties on intelligence reports on the ground.

After the intensified airstrikes and shelling on Wednesday up until past midnight of Thursday, “there is still ongoing ground operations so we expect that there will be encounters forthcoming,” Año said.

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Regarding the killed Indonesian terrorist—identified as one “Mohisen”—Año said the authorities are digging and doing more investigation to the Indonesian’s background, including whether he is a member of the so-called Islamic State.

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Año said one of AFP’s four newly acquired South Korean FA-50 fighter jets was used during the airstrikes.

“It was part of the aircraft used by the Air Force. We used a lot of aircraft and the FA-50 was one of them,” Año said.

“The aircraft is very efficient and very precise. So we can see that the FA50 is not only use for ceremonial purposes but for our internal security operations.”

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Re: What is the FA-50 really for?
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2017, 07:17:06 PM »
MRFs will require a level of logistical support to which the service is unaccustomed. The quantum leap in capability of MRFs comes at a price, not only in pesos, but also in logistical complexity. The <a href="http://adroth.ph/the-pafs-piecemeal-acquisitions/">piecemeal acquisition</a> of replacement components and cannibalization of existing aircraft for parts -- that have become the norm for the PAF -- will have a much more detrimental effect on these sophisticated aircraft than on its existing fleet of Vietnam-era aircraft. This will will require paradigm shifts within the organization, no only for aircraft maintainers, but even the budgetary planners responsible for forecasting logistical requirements.

The lesson has begun. P140.2M worth of maintenance acquisitions are due in February this year

http://defenseph.net/drp/index.php?topic=285.0

Assumption 2: FA-50 cannot be used for anti-insurgency

Unlike it's air-to-air weaponry, the FA-50 is already cleared to use a variety of ground attack weapons. All of which could be brought to bear in internal counter-insurgency campaigns, particularly against groups with a predilection for constructing defensive fortifications. The most recent instance of military action requiring fixed-wing strike was in Lanao in August 2008 where AS-211s were used.

Its usefulness even in a COIN context was recently proven

ABS-CBN news - Jan 27 2017
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The military on Thursday night launched a surgical air strike against terror groups. Two new FA-50 lead-in jets dropped bombs in Butig, which was followed by an airplane and an attack helicopter.

The operation was launched after the military received information that Abu Sayyaf senior leader Isnilon Hapilon is in Butig and is now the recognized “emir,” or leader, of the Islamic State group in the Philippines.

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In a statement, the AFP said the terror groups are “reported to have sustained a major casualty, with a number of them dead or seriously wounded,” after the bomb attack that landed the identified locations of the terror groups.

Troops are now searching the area to see whether they hit Hapilon or he managed to escape.
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Re: What is the FA-50 really for?
« Reply #19 on: May 13, 2017, 12:50:34 AM »
Rody: Bomb terrorists
By Alexis Romero (The Philippine Star) | Updated May 11, 2017 - 12:00am

http://www.philstar.com/nation/2017/05/11/1698713/rody-bomb-terrorists

MANILA, Philippines - President Duterte has ordered the military to conduct “bombing runs” against terrorists in Mindanao to prevent them from entering the Visayas and contain the influence of the Islamic State (IS) in the country.

 “We have a problem with terrorism. What looms very big ahead is the IS. They are coming in,” the President  told a press conference at the Ninoy Aquino International Airport Terminal 2 before he left for a working visit to Cambodia, Hong Kong and Beijing yesterday. “Fighting is ongoing in Mindanao. As a matter of fact, we’ve been using FA-50 jets in bombing runs.”

Duterte, who previously said the purchase of FA-50 jets was a “waste of money,” ordered the military to use its air assets to crush the Abu Sayyaf, which has about 300 members according to military estimates.

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