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Joao Coutinho class
« on: April 30, 2017, 02:19:28 AM »
A former PN Modernization officer once acknowledged interest in these Portuguese boats. Best to take note.

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http://www.military-today.com/navy/joao_coutinho_class.htm

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These vessels were very inexpensive to operate, costing only US$9.3 million/year to maintain (by comparison, a Kortenaer class frigate costs US$26 million/year to maintain). However, this was also clearly a product of having very little weaponry and electronics, even for warships of their size.

   In 2015 the last two vessels of the class (the F471 Antonio Enes and the F476 Jacinto Candido) were decommissioned due to their weak configuration and old age. It is unlikely that Portugal will be able to export them to a foreign navy, assuming the Portuguese government is even willing to offer them at all. Most likely outcome for the entire Joao Coutinho class is to be broken-up for scrap in the near future.

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NameLaid downLaunched     CommissionedStatus
Joao Coutinho (F475)196819701971decommissioned
Jacinto Candido (F476)196819691970decommissioned in 2015
General Pereira D'Eca (F477)196819691970decommissioned
Antonio Enes (F471)196819691970-1971decommissioned in 2015
Augusto de Castilho (F484)196819691970decommissioned in 2003
Honório Barreto (F485)19681970-19711970-1971decommissioned in 2003

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Photo c/o Military Today

Note: To maintain the integrity of the original source material (which appears to be overdue for an update), the original data has been retained above. But 40niner has presented updated information that should be brought to everyone's attention.

To correct some information from that site :

F475 João Coutinho 1970–2014 : retired Aug 31, 2014
F476 Jacinto Cândido 1970– In service
F477 General Pereira d'Eça 1970–2010 Sunk as artificial reef in Porto Santo, Madeira in 2014
F471 António Enes 1971– In service
F484 Augusto Castilho 1970–2003 Decommissioned; sold for scrap in 2011
F485 Honório Barreto 1971–2002 Decommissioned; sold for scrap in 2011


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Re: Joao Coutinho class
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2017, 06:34:56 AM »
http://www.military-today.com/navy/joao_coutinho_class.htm

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   In 2015 the last two vessels of the class (the F471 Antonio Enes and the F476 Jacinto Candido) were decommissioned due to their weak configuration and old age. It is unlikely that Portugal will be able to export them to a foreign navy, assuming the Portuguese government is even willing to offer them at all. Most likely outcome for the entire Joao Coutinho class is to be broken-up for scrap in the near future.

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NameLaid downLaunched     CommissionedStatus
Joao Coutinho (F475)196819701971decommissioned
Jacinto Candido (F476)196819691970decommissioned in 2015
General Pereira D'Eca (F477)196819691970decommissioned
Antonio Enes (F471)196819691970-1971decommissioned in 2015
Augusto de Castilho (F484)196819691970decommissioned in 2003
Honório Barreto (F485)19681970-19711970-1971decommissioned in 2003


To correct some information from that site :

F475 João Coutinho 1970–2014 : retired Aug 31, 2014
F476 Jacinto Cândido 1970– In service
F477 General Pereira d'Eça 1970–2010 Sunk as artificial reef in Porto Santo, Madeira in 2014
F471 António Enes 1971– In service
F484 Augusto Castilho 1970–2003 Decommissioned; sold for scrap in 2011
F485 Honório Barreto 1971–2002 Decommissioned; sold for scrap in 2011

A few days ago (May 5), NRP Enes docked at Portimão (southern Portugal) after escorting the Russian frigate Admiral Grigorovich along the souther coast of Portugal in the later's entry to the Mediterranean Sea.

Last April, NRP Jacinto Cândido (F476) was deployed to Azores for a three-month regular patrol replacing another OPV of the Marinha Portuguesa.

The point of the speculation had been the news reports on having to retire all the remaining WWII ships (about 8-9) with nominal replacements of similar capabilities*. Adding fuel to such speculation was the official visit from PN last year, emphasizing some cooperation and formalities; as well as this Portuguese report regarding actual visit on some ships by PN.
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... One of the sources in the Diario de Noticias explains that there are "concrete manifestations of interest", the visits explain the willingness to buy one or more of the three ships that Portugal wants to dispose of.


* nominal replacement for 8-9 ships in a span of less than four years speculates 2nd hand sources, since budget and procedures makes it impossible to attain such with all new-builds.

« Last Edit: May 09, 2017, 08:00:51 AM by 40niner »
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Re: Joao Coutinho class
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2017, 03:20:04 PM »
So the blog of MaxDefense is inaccurate with regard to this Portugal OPV's, Sir 40niner..

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Re: Joao Coutinho class
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2017, 12:07:26 PM »
^ to clarify, Maxdefense WAS NOT quoted on my post, but 'that site' referred to the "http://www.military-today.com/navy/joao_coutinho_class.htm" link that was referenced by Sir A.  Kindly re-read my post to avoid misunderstanding. :)
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Re: Joao Coutinho class
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2017, 03:46:02 PM »
noted sir,

Maxdefense stated that PN is interested with this OPVs.. and the proof is that the visit by some PVI from PN to Portugal..

thus, i asked the said question if the blog of Maxdefense is accurate with regard to this OPVs. i just based my info on open sources compared to info's that this forum have with regard to this OPV's..


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Re: Joao Coutinho class
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2017, 08:15:19 PM »
To correct some information from that site :


F476 Jacinto Cândido 1970– In service

F471 António Enes 1971– In service


Jacinto Candido

Last seen underway May 6, 2017

https://www.fleetmon.com/vessels/nrp-jacinto-candido_8388608_2088912/?language=en#



Published on Apr 11, 2016
https://youtu.be/sH9QgzvkIHU







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Antonio Enes

Last seen underway on May 9, 2017

https://www.vesselfinder.com/?mmsi=263019000

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Re: Joao Coutinho class
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2017, 09:44:32 PM »
noted sir,

Maxdefense stated that PN is interested with this OPVs.. and the proof is that the visit by some PVI from PN to Portugal..

thus, i asked the said question if the blog of Maxdefense is accurate with regard to this OPVs. i just based my info on open sources compared to info's that this forum have with regard to this OPV's..

Yes, Max was one of the sources to disclose that a PN Joint Visual Inspection (JVI) team was dispatched to look over the material condition of the vessels.

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Re: Joao Coutinho class
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2017, 06:08:46 AM »
The Baptista de Andrade class discussion has been broken off from this thread.