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dr demented

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Who knew a ship full of sheep can take out a warship.

Philippine Navy planners take note.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/russian-navy-intelligence-ship-sinks-after-collision-with-freighter-off-turkish-coast/2017/04/27/5854b062-2b45-11e7-be51-b3fc6ff7faee_story.html?utm_term=.328ececa2a1f

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Russian navy intelligence ship sinks after collision with freighter off Turkish coast

By Kareem Fahim and Andrew Roth April 27 at 5:02 PM

 ISTANBUL — A Russian naval intelligence ship sank Thursday after colliding with a merchant freighter in foggy conditions on the Black Sea near Istanbul, the Turkish coast guard said. All 78 crew members on the Russian vessel were rescued.

The crew of the freighter Youzarsif H, a Togo-flagged ship traveling from Romania to Jordan with a cargo of 8,800 sheep, was unharmed, and the ship suffered slight damage to its bow, according to local media reports.

In Moscow, Russia’s Defense Ministry issued a statement confirming that the vessel, the Liman, went down after the collision tore a hole in the hull below the waterline.

Russian officials did not immediately provide any information about the Liman’s mission. The Russian state-run Sputnik news agency reported in 2016 that the Liman had been deployed in the Black Sea to monitor the Sea Breeze naval exercises involving Ukraine and several NATO countries, including the United States. Russian officials had complained that the exercises were a provocation.

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Just a thought ..... I can't help but notice a lot of negative sentiments in a number of venues including Youtube whenever Russian equipment are on the table for discussion.The Russian spy ship just among a number of them. Now that we have the second US "high-tech" destroyer collision in less than three months ( USS Fitzgerald in June 17, 2017 and  USS McCain August 08th, 2017), I wonder if the same people who thought it was humorous to learn of the Russian Navy accident would also find it equally funny that the US had it even worse with the dual incidents?

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The relief of Fitz's Command Triad (CO, XO, CMC) and the signs that most of the Watch at time of collision is also up for NJP is an indication that it's an operational and personnel issue, not one of equipment. It was already clear by photos of the damage that Fitz was the Give-Way vessel and should have maneuvered to avoid the collision (Starboard Side damage forward of Amidships).

McCain was the stand-on vessel since she was struck port-side, which means she could NOT maneuver until it was clear that the Give-Way was not maneuvering safely to avoid a collision approach. The Straits of Malacca aren't as big as you think - there's hundreds of major motor vessels making the the transit daily, and in the dark at 0524L, there's not enough room to be overly cautious - COLREGs wouldn't let you anyway as the stand-on. 

Militaries are a microcosm of the societies from which they came, mistakes are made because they're human. The question becomes - was the failure one of equipment, procedure or personnel? You'll find in most cases, it's a combination of all three, but certainly in Fitz's case, it's looking more and more like a Personnel fault. McCain? Too soon to tell, but the blow port-side already tells a story that Alnic MC's watch wasn't up to par.

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And at least the US Navy is transparent about their operations, including JAGMAN investigations and outcomes. Will you ever hear the RCA about the Russian incident? My smart money and their historical record says Never.