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Re: Philippine Navy submarine studies
« Reply #30 on: July 30, 2018, 12:27:38 AM »
http://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1043069

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PH Navy prepares for acquisition of submarines

By Priam Nepomuceno July 30, 2018, 2:47 pm

MANILA -- The Philippine Navy (PN) is now conducting market research and doctrine studies on how to fully utilize the submarines it is planning to acquire as part of the efforts to modernize its fleet.

The former refers to costing of an affordable submersible vessel while the latter refers to specific mission use of the submarine in Philippine naval service.

"Now the Navy (is) studying doctrines (on submarine usage and deployment) and planning its procurement. This has never been done before and I think that is significant (as it provides a direction for the PN's future acquisition)," Defense spokesperson Arsenio Andolong said in an interview with reporters Monday.

Earlier, the DND spokesperson said the acquisition of the country's first submarines will be brought forward to Horizon Two of the Revised Armed Forces of the Philippines Modernization Program (RAFPMP), which was approved by President Rodrigo Duterte last May.

The procurement of the above-mentioned naval craft was earlier scheduled for Horizon Three, which is expected to run from 2023 to 2028, while Horizon Two is scheduled from 2018 to 2022.

The budget for the program is roughly placed at PHP300 billion. Horizon One lasted from 2013 to 2017 and resulted in the acquisition of the three Del Pilar-class frigates, 12 FA-50PH light-lift interim jet fighters, two strategic sealift vessels, to name a few.

"Hindi na (when asked on whether submarines will be acquire on Horizon Three), pinush na dito (Horizon Two), ngayon (now), how will this come to be, yan ang kailangan pag-aralan (that is what needs to be studied)," Andolong said.

The DND spokesperson said submarines are a great equalizer for the country's naval arsenal once acquired.

He added that incumbent Navy flag-officer-in-command Vice Admiral Robert Empedrad can be credited for pushing the inclusion of diesel-electric submarines in Horizon Two.

Earlier, the PN chief said that he fully supports all proposals that would allow the country to acquire its first diesel-electric submarines at the soonest possible time. This is because undersea or submarine warfare is now the trend in naval warfare as it is very difficult to fight an opponent you cannot see or detect due to its ability to go underwater.

In line with this project, Empedrad said the PN has already created a Submarine Group, which is now sending Navy personnel for study and training on submarine operations in preparation for the country's eventual acquisition of submarines.

He added that this is necessary as the submarine acquisition, including training, support facilities, and the vessel, often takes seven to 10 years.

The PN chief added that the decision to acquire submarines for the Philippine military was further bolstered by a recent conference he attended in London, United Kingdom, where more and more modern navies are shown building up their submarine fleet and anti-submarine capabilities. (PNA)

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Re: Philippine Navy submarine studies
« Reply #31 on: July 30, 2018, 10:20:21 PM »
Duterte okays AFP’s submarine program
Updated July 31, 2018, 7:09 AM

By Francis Wakefield

https://news.mb.com.ph/2018/07/30/duterte-okays-afps-submarine-program/

President Duterte has given the go signal for the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) to have its own submarine program, the Department of National Defense (DND) said Monday.

DND spokesman Director Arsenio Andolong said in an interview that the submarine acquisition program is part of the wishlist of the AFP, and now the Chief Executive has given his approval for the AFP to push through with it.

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Andolong said that barring any unforeseen circumstances, the Philippine Navy will be able to finish the contract within President Duterte’s term.  But if the submarine program is not realized during Duterte’s term, the important thing is that it has set a direction for the future, he said.

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Re: Philippine Navy submarine studies
« Reply #32 on: August 01, 2018, 09:41:56 AM »
http://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1043349

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Island nations need submarines for complete defense: Lorenzana

By Priam Nepomuceno August 1, 2018, 3:18 pm

MANILA -- Submarines are a must for the defense capability of an archipelagic state like the Philippines.

This was stressed by Department of National Defense (DND) Secretary Delfin Lorenzana when asked Tuesday on the importance of the Philippine Navy's acquisition of submarines.

"For a nation with maritime territory especially, (islands), its national defense is incomplete without (a) submarine," he added.

Lorenzana also said an effective active submarine force is a great deterrent for would-be aggressors due to its capability to travel underwater unseen, giving it the element of surface.

A submarine force is a great morale booster to the Armed Forces of the Philippines, the DND chief added.

Earlier, DND spokesperson Arsenio Andolong said acquisition of the country's first submarines will be brought forward to Horizon Two of the Revised Armed Forces of the Philippines Modernization Program (RAFPMP).

Procurement of the above-mentioned naval craft was earlier scheduled for Horizon Three which is expected to run from 2023 to 2028 while Horizon Two is scheduled from 2018 to 2022.

Budget for the program is roughly placed at PHP300 billion.

Horizon One lasted from 2013 to 2017 and resulted in the acquisition of the three Del Pilar-class frigates, 12 FA-50PH light-lift interim fighters, two strategic sealift vessels, to name a few.

The DND spokesperson said submarines are a great equalizer in the country's naval arsenal once acquired.

He added that incumbent Navy flag-officer-in-command Vice Admiral Robert Empedrad can be credited for pushing the inclusion of submarines in Horizon Two.

Earlier, the PN chief said that he fully supports all proposals that would allow the country to acquire its first diesel-electric submarines at the soonest possible time.

This is because undersea or submarine warfare has become a trend in naval warfare as it is very difficult to fight an unseen opponent due to its ability to go underwater.

In line with this project, Empedrad said the PN has already created a Submarine Group which is now sending Navy personnel for study and training on submarine operations in preparation for the country's eventual acquisition of the above-mentioned naval craft. He added that this is necessary as submarine acquisition, including training, support facilities, and the vessel, often takes seven to 10 years.

The PN chief added that the decision to acquire submarines for the Philippine military was further bolstered by a recent conference he attended in London, United Kingdom where more and more modern navies are shown building up their submarine fleet and anti-submarine capabilities. (PNA)

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Re: Philippine Navy submarine studies
« Reply #33 on: August 09, 2018, 01:23:25 AM »
Philippine, Russian navies consider submarine agreement | Janes - 07 August 2018
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The Philippine Navy (PN) and Russian Navy are discussing the terms of an agreement to expand collaboration on diesel-electric submarines, state-run media in Manila has reported.

The Philippine News Agency (PNA) reported on 6 August that the two navies recently discussed the draft memorandum of understanding (MOU) through which Russia would look to meet the PN’s requirement to procure the subsurface capability.

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PN officials have also been invited to Russian shipyards to observe submarine construction programmes, he said.

In late July, the Philippines Department of National Defense confirmed in comments to the PNA that it is currently conducting “market research and doctrine studies” in support of its submarine procurement programme.


The Russian-made Kilo-class submarine is regarded as a possible procurement for the Philippine Navy under its ‘second horizon’ modernisation programme. Source: Russian MoD

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Re: Philippine Navy submarine studies
« Reply #34 on: August 10, 2018, 09:47:55 PM »
Russia to provide ‘soft loan’ for PH submarine project
By PTV News - CD - August 10, 2018

https://www.ptvnews.ph/russia-provide-soft-loan-ph-submarine-project/

MANILA — If the Philippines has no money to buy its first-ever submarine, Russia is more than willing to provide the country “soft loans” to acquire the specialized underwater craft, Department of National Defense Delfin Lorenzana said Thursday.

Lorenzana said Russia is keen on selling to the Philippines its Kilo-class diesel-electric submarines, which has surface displacement of 2,350 tons, a length of 73.8 meters and capable of speeds up 17 to 20 knots.

It can be armed with a variety of torpedoes, missiles and naval mines and has a cruising range of around 6,000 to 7,500 nautical miles.

In the ASEAN region, Vietnam is known to operate six improved Kilo-class submarines in its fleet.

“Kung wala tayong pera pahihiramin tayo ng Russia, soft loans (If we don’t have the money, Russia will lend us soft loans),” Lorenzana said Thursday.

“Soft loan” refers to financing with no interest or below market rate of interest.

Lorenzana said the country is still looking at other possible submarines suppliers in Europe, including France, noting that the country’s submarine acquisition program, including possible suppliers, will be most likely finalized in the next 12 months.

“Maybe within the year, maybe within the next 12 months. Maybe we could finalize this. If this is approved, it will take them four years to make it, so it could be delivered when the term of President (Rodrigo Duterte) already ended,” Lorenzana said.

Earlier, the DND chief said for an island nation like the Philippines, its defense can be considered incomplete without a fleet of submarines.

“For a nation with maritime territory especially island nation, its national defense is incomplete without (a) submarine,” he added.

Lorenzana noted that an effective active submarine force is a great deterrent for would be aggressors due to its capability to travel underwater, giving it the element of surprise.

A submarine force is a great morale booster to the Armed Forces of the Philippines, the DND chief added.

Meanwhile, DND spokesperson Arsenio Andolong said the acquisition of the country’s first submarines will be brought forward to Horizon Two of the Revised Armed Forces of the Philippines Modernization Program (RAFPMP).

The procurement of the underwater craft was earlier scheduled for Horizon Three, which is expected to run from 2023 to 2028 while Horizon Two is scheduled from 2018 to 2022. The budget for the program is roughly placed at PHP300 billion.

Horizon One covered the 2013 to 2017 period and resulted in the acquisition of the three Del Pilar-class frigates, 12 FA-50PH light-lift interim fighters, two strategic sealift vessels, to name a few. (Priam Nepomuceno/PNA)

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Re: Philippine Navy submarine studies
« Reply #35 on: August 17, 2018, 07:54:47 PM »
Lorenzana insists submarine acquisition ‘most advantageous’ for AFP
Published August 17, 2018, 7:44 PM
By Martin Sadongdong

https://news.mb.com.ph/2018/08/17/lorenzana-insists-submarine-acquisition-most-advantageous-for-afp/

The Department of National Defense (DND) on Friday defended the plan to acquire big-ticket items, like submarines, from Russia amid the concern of a US official that it would not help the alliance of the Philippines with America.

“While our acquisition of submarines for the Philippine Navy is still under study and nothing is final at this point, we emphasize that the Defense Department will procure equipment that is most advantageous for the Armed Forces of the Philippines through our AFP Modernization Program,” Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana said.

He added they are open to purchase defense-enhancing equipment from any country “as long as the procurement follows the proper process as provided for under the Philippine laws, and the equipment meets the requirements of its end users.”

Furthermore, Lorenzana emphasized that the country’s defense department continues to honor all of its alliances and partnerships with other countries through the conduct of international defense and security engagements.

On Thursday, US Assistant Secretary of Defense for Asian and Pacific Security Affairs Randall Schriver said the Philippine government should think carefully its decision to acquire submarines from Russia as it will not help the two countries’ alliance.

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Re: Philippine Navy submarine studies
« Reply #36 on: August 20, 2018, 08:35:38 PM »
A submarine to consider from the Koreans..

http://m.mk.co.kr/news/headline/2018/521599

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Re: Philippine Navy submarine studies
« Reply #37 on: August 22, 2018, 08:47:45 AM »
http://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1045572

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3 other nations willing to supply diesel-electric submarines to PH

By Priam Nepomuceno August 22, 2018, 11:49 am

MANILA -- Aside from Russia, three other countries have expressed interest to supply the Philippine Navy with diesel-electric submarines.

"We are now studying the offers of (South) Korea, France and if I'm not mistaken, Indonesia as well," Department of National Defense spokesperson Arsenio Andolong said in an interview with reporters Wednesday, noting that all three have shipyards and facilities capable of constructing diesel-electric submarines.

No other details are available, Andolong said.

Earlier, Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana said Russia is willing to provide advanced versions of its Kilo-class submarines to the Philippines through "soft loans" but clarified that the country is still looking for other sources.

Kilo-class submarines have a surface displacement of 2,350 tons, a length of 73.8 meters and capable of speeds up 17 to 20 knots and can be armed with a variety of torpedoes, missiles and naval mines.

It has a cruising range of about 6,000 to 7,500 nautical miles. In the ASEAN region, Vietnam is known to operate six improved Kilo-class submarines in its fleet.

Lorenzana earlier said that for an island nation like the Philippines, defense could be considered incomplete without a fleet of submarines.

"For a nation with maritime territory, especially (an) island nation, its national defense is incomplete without (a) submarine," he added.

The defense chief also said that an effective active submarine force is a great deterrent for would-be aggressors due to its capability to travel underwater unseen, giving it the element of surprise.

A submarine force is a great morale booster to the Armed Forces of the Philippines, he added. (PNA)

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Re: Philippine Navy submarine studies
« Reply #38 on: August 24, 2018, 12:00:06 AM »
Interoperability a factor in acquiring major naval systems: Navy chief
By Priam Nepomuceno  August 24, 2018, 11:57 am

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MANILA -- When acquiring major naval systems like submarines, interoperability is always a key factor, Philippine Navy (PN) Flag-Officer-in-Command Vice Admiral Robert Empedrad said.

"Interoperability is a very important factor (in the) acquisition (or) upgrade. 'Pag bumili tayo (When we buy equipment, we must ensure that) we come up with (the necessary) technical specifications (that will) make sure that the interoperability with our (ships) will be taken into consideration," Empedrad said Wednesday.

In the case of the submarines that the government plans to acquire, the Navy chief said the installation of equipment that would allow it to coordinate and communicate with other Navy assets would be a priority.

"We can include (that in) our specifications. 'Yung communication (equipment that will be installed) will be coming from a proponent (supplier) that we already have in our inventory," Empedrad said.

Having this capability would ensure that there is no "miscalculation" among the submarines and other PN ships, he pointed out.

He reiterated that it is high time for the Philippines to have submarines in its fleet to beef up its capability to defend the country's vast maritime territories.

Earlier, Empedrad said government-to-government procurement is the best way to acquire submarines for the Navy.

He said Russians are proposing a "soft-loan" for their Kilo-class diesel-electric submarines. Despite the offer, however, Empedrad said nothing is final.

Aside from Russia, Germany and South Korea have also expressed interest to participate in the Navy's submarine acquisition program, he added. (PNA)
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« Reply #39 on: August 27, 2018, 09:27:25 PM »
Russia, S. Korea among top candidates for PH submarine project
By Priam Nepomuceno  August 23, 2018, 4:30 pm

http://www.pna.gov.ph/index.php/articles/1045736

MANILA -- Russia and South Korea are among the top candidates to supply diesel-electric submarines to the Philippines, Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana said late Wednesday.

Lorenzana said he met with Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoygu last August 21 at the Army Forum and Exhibition.

The following day, Lorenzana also met with Deputy Minister Colonel General Alexander Fomin at the Ministry of Defense building and talked for 20 minutes.

He left for Moscow last Aug. 16 and will return to the country on Friday (August 24).

"Napag-usapan namin ang (We spoke about) military-to-military relations, palitan ng mga sundalo sa (exchange of soldiers for) military training, port visits of (Philippine) Navy ships to Vladivostok, participation in military exercises," he said in a text message to reporters.

And while discussions took place, the Russian defense officials are aware that the Philippines is still looking for submarines suppliers.

"There are discussions. But they know that we are shopping and has yet to decide where to buy," Lorenzana added. On this matter, Russia and South Korea remains among the top candidates.

"(South) Korea is a candidate too. But the Russian-made (Kilo-class diesel-electric submarine) is better and more expensive," the defense chief said.

South Korea is offering Chang Bogo class diesel-electric submarine, a variant of the German type 209 submersible craft, which has a displacement of 1,200 to 1,400 gross tons, length of 56 to 61 meters, and range of 11,000 nautical miles. It can be armed with a variety of torpedoes.

When asked which of the two is the more preferred supplier, Lorenzana said the country is still looking for a more affordable platform.

Earlier, he said Russia is willing to provide advanced versions of its Kilo-class submarines to the Philippines through "soft loans" but clarified that the country is still looking for other sources.

Kilo-class submarines have a surface displacement of 2,350 tons, and a length of 73.8 meters, and is capable of speeds up 17 to 20 knots and can be armed with a variety of torpedoes, missiles and naval mines. It has a cruising range of 6,000 to 7,500 nautical miles. (PNA)

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Re: Philippine Navy submarine studies
« Reply #40 on: August 31, 2018, 12:36:16 PM »
Lorenzana backtracks on Russian submarines
Published 11:02 AM, August 31, 2018
Updated 11:14 AM, August 31, 2018

https://www.rappler.com/nation/210797-delfin-lorenzana-backtracks-russian-submarines

MANILA, Philippines – Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana has backtracked on the urgency of acquiring Russian submarines amid concerns raised against the plan.

“It is still in the planning stage,” Lorenzana told lawmakers during a budget hearing on Wednesday, August 29.


He told lawmakers the country might not be able to afford the maintenance of submarines.

“The congressman is correct that a submarine is very expensive. In the first place, the capital outlay is already very expensive. To maintain it is also very expensive. To man it, you need two sets of crews that will alternate in manning the submarine,” Lorenzana said.

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Re: Philippine Navy submarine studies
« Reply #41 on: October 04, 2018, 10:44:57 AM »
Philippine Navy tours Russian submarine | Philstar - October 5, 2018 - 12:00am
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The government has been scouting for big-ticket defense items in line with the modernization program of the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP).

Russia is among the countries that have expressed readiness to supply the Philippines with needed military equipment and has offered the Philippine government a soft loan for its planned submarine procurement.

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PH Navy members tour Russian submarine | ABS-CBN news - Oct 04 2018 12:00 AM

https://news.abs-cbn.com/video/news/10/04/18/ph-navy-members-tour-russian-submarine


The World Tonight: PH Navy members tour Russian submarine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xImL8E-sz9I


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Re: Philippine Navy submarine studies
« Reply #42 on: October 05, 2018, 10:55:54 PM »
From: https://www.facebook.com/philippinenavy/posts/10155989351032956

PHILIPPINE NAVY CONTINGENT VISITS RUSSIAN NAVY SUBMARINE IN VLADIVOSTOK, RUSSIA

VLADIVOSTOK, RUSSIA –After various scheduled activities were conducted in different areas here in Vladivostok, Russia, members of the Naval Task Force 87 led by Capt Florante N Gagua PN(GSC) took the opportunity with the invitation of the Russian Pacific Fleet to visit their Diesel Submarine last 03 October 2018.

Read more: http://navy.mil.ph/pn_web_news.php?news_id=1864


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