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maybe, we could revisit the GRSE Deal...

And deal with the clusterf*ck below?

CAG lays bare breaches in Navy’s anti-sub corvettes
Jayanta Gupta | TNN | Updated: Jul 23, 2017, 03:38 IST

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kolkata/cag-lays-bare-breaches-in-navys-anti-sub-corvettes/articleshow/59719163.cms

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According to one of the CAG's latest reports, the Directorate of Naval Design (DND) hadn't finalized the design for the ASW corvettes when issuing the Letter of Intent to Garden Reach Shipbuilders and Engineers (GRSE) Ltd in Kolkata. DND finalized the design in 2006 but continued to modify it till 2008.

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"The drop in the achievement of the specified speed was mainly due to the increase in their weights by over 800 tonnes," the report states. The increase in weight of the corvettes was due to the adoption of various signature reduction measures or stealth capabilities. In a last ditch effort to maintain proper weight, the DND suggested in May 2009 that GRSE use composite superstructures instead of steel ones in the last three of four corvettes of the Kamorta-class being built by GRSE. This would bring down their weights by 70-80 tonnes each. However, due to the lead time required in procuring composite material from foreign vendors, GRSE is using them only in the last two ships that are yet to be delivered.

It was also observed during audit that the INS Kamorta and INS Kadmatt haven't been fitted with a particular weapon and sensor systems and can't perform to their full potential. Till December, 2016, the Harbour Acceptance Trials of the INS Kadmatt were still pending. Sea Acceptance Test (SAT) is also conducted to test a vessel's speed, maneuverability, equipment and safety features.
"It was observed that SAT on six weapons and sensors on the INS Kamorta and all weapons and sensors on INS Kadmatt are pending satisfactory completion. Thus, the effectiveness of the main features of anti-submarine warfare are yet to be proved," the report states.

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General Discussion / Re: "Game of the Flag Officers"
« on: Today at 08:19:34 AM »
in short, we were steamrolled by HHI like noobs.

We didn’t know how to write specs . . . left an opening . . . and the vendor used it. Now part of the organization is going “wait . . . Wait”.

but I want my TACTICOS!!!! 

Who will take responsibility for systems integration if the PN insists on customizing the order?

What you should want is “a CMS that does the intended job”. How is that possible in this clusterf*ck? Time to let the peole, who are actually doing the grunt work, earn their pay. With all that’s going on, they will arguable be given the space to put this project front-and-center.

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General Discussion / Re: "Game of the Flag Officers"
« on: January 16, 2018, 11:40:55 PM »
Why allow fine-print provisions like this in the first place?

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Fine-print provisions

He said the “maker’s list” had provisions written in fine print at the bottom, stating “the final selection of the maker to be shipbuilder’s sole right as long as the equipment/system shall fulfill the owner’s requirements in building specifications and other design and build aspects.”

That document allegedly bore the signatures of only two Koreans. This provision supposedly allowed HHI to overrule the Navy’s preferences.

“In my investigation, HHI employed the strategy called ‘bait and switch,’ which means the contractor baits the buyer or client by offering superior systems or products and once he bags the contract he will find means to go around and eventually choose the lesser or inferior and thus cheaper systems or products to maximize profits,” Alejano said.

“In other words, you will be lured into the trap first and once you’re inside, there’s no escaping,” he added.

When top Navy officers learned that they have been had, Alejano said, they drew their version of the maker’s list stating the Navy had the right to choose the makers for its warships’ operational requirements.

But the Korean contractor disregarded the Navy’s version, saying the contract had already been signed (on Oct. 24, 2016) and the government had already made a 15-percent down payment.

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Why allow fine-print provisions in the first place?

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Fine-print provisions

He said the “maker’s list” had provisions written in fine print at the bottom, stating “the final selection of the maker to be shipbuilder’s sole right as long as the equipment/system shall fulfill the owner’s requirements in building specifications and other design and build aspects.”

That document allegedly bore the signatures of only two Koreans. This provision supposedly allowed HHI to overrule the Navy’s preferences.

“In my investigation, HHI employed the strategy called ‘bait and switch,’ which means the contractor baits the buyer or client by offering superior systems or products and once he bags the contract he will find means to go around and eventually choose the lesser or inferior and thus cheaper systems or products to maximize profits,” Alejano said.

“In other words, you will be lured into the trap first and once you’re inside, there’s no escaping,” he added.

When top Navy officers learned that they have been had, Alejano said, they drew their version of the maker’s list stating the Navy had the right to choose the makers for its warships’ operational requirements.

But the Korean contractor disregarded the Navy’s version, saying the contract had already been signed (on Oct. 24, 2016) and the government had already made a 15-percent down payment.

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Discussions about all nations and places / Re: Kamorta class frigates
« on: January 16, 2018, 11:22:54 PM »
Strict adherence to indigenisation norm delays production of anti-sub warfare ships
AMRITA NAIR-GHASWALLA
MUMBAI, JANUARY 12

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/economy/strict-adherence-to-indigenisation-norm-delays-production-of-antisub-warfare-ships/article10030638.ece

Strict adherence to high indigenisation of content has delayed the production of the Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASW) Corvettes built by defence shipyard Garden Reach Shipbuilders and Engineers (GRSE). As the fourth ASW Corvette, christened ‘Kavaratti’, readies to be commissioned into the Indian Navy this year, officials maintain producing the warships has helped buoy India's potential to become a significant exporter of naval vessels.

GRSE is building four ASW Corvette Class of ships under the P-28 project. The first two ships of the series, INS Kamorta and INS Kadmatt, were delivered in 2014 and 2015, respectively. The third, INS Kiltan was formally handed over to the Indian Navy in October 2017. The fourth, slated to be commissioned at the end of 2017, has been delayed but will soon join the ranks.

“The aim is to build cutting edge warships and, simultaneously, develop the Indian warship building industry,” said a senior GRSE official, seeking anonymity.

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Design modifications

GRSE was issued letter of intent for the project in 2003, but major modifications in design of the ships continued till 2008. The first corvette was delivered to the Navy in July 2014 and second one in November 2015. According to the contract, the third corvette was to have been delivered in July 2014, and the fourth in April 2015.

Alluding to the delay, experts point out that the Navy is determined to nurture an Indian supplier base to develop increasingly high-tech products for warships. Special grade high-tensile steel, developed by the Indian Navy and the DRDO, and produced by the Steel Authority of India adorns the warships.

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Who would benefit from a reset?

With relations with Italians soured by the Maestrale deal. Who would be left?

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Politics and Government / SEC revokes Rappler's registration
« on: January 16, 2018, 10:01:02 PM »
SEC revokes Rappler's registration
(UPDATED) The Securities and Exchange Commission accuses Rappler of violating nationality restrictions on ownership and control of mass media entities

Carmela Fonbuena
@carmelafonbuena
Published 4:58 PM, January 15, 2018
Updated 11:17 PM, January 15, 2018

https://www.rappler.com/nation/193687-rappler-registration-revoked

MANILA, Philippines (UPDATED) – In a blow to press freedom in the Philippines, the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) revoked the registration of news organization Rappler allegedly for violating the Constitution and the Anti-Dummy Law.

The SEC said Rappler violated constitutional restrictions on ownership and control of mass media entities because of funds coming from Omidyar Network, a fund created by eBay founder and entrepreneur Pierre Omidyar.

"The En Banc finds Rappler, Inc. and Rappler Holdings Corporation, a Mass Media Entity and its alter ego, liable for violating the constitutional and statutory Foreign Equity Restriction in Mass Media, enforceable through laws and rules within the mandate of the commission," the SEC en banc said in its decision dated January 11 but published on its website Monday, January 15.

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But that V-22 elevator takes the cake. How much persistence and capability could you stuff into a hull that large?

Lots of space . . . lots of power for railguns :-)

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Clock ticking toward shutdown as Congress returns to one big spending mess
Lauren Fox
By Lauren Fox, CNN

Updated 10:28 AM ET, Tue January 16, 2018

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/16/politics/government-shutdown-daca-deal/index.html

(CNN)With just four days until a spending deadline, the government could be heading for a shutdown on the one-year anniversary of Donald Trump's presidency.

It's long been thought that the key to unlocking any spending stalemate in Congress was to get closer to an immigration compromise. However, as lawmakers return from the holiday weekend, the mood on Capitol Hill between the two parties -- and even between factions within Republican enclaves -- has soured after a tumultuous week that included a bipartisan group of senators announcing they had an immigration deal, Trump rejecting it and reports that the President had used vulgar language to describe the African nations affected by such a proposal.

Democrats have signaled all along that they wouldn't be quick to fund the government without assurances that there was a plan on the way to protect hundreds of thousands of young recipients of DACA, the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, which expires in March. After Trump's incendiary language and his rejection of the bipartisan deal last week, Democrats may be leaning more toward withholding their votes on a spending compromise.

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Administrator's note: See related discussions

Game of the flag officers

DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program

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Magdalo lawmaker urges gov’t scrap order for 2 warships
By: Vince F. Nonato - Reporter / @VinceNonato
INQ Philippine Daily Inquirer / 07:22 AM January 17, 2018
Gary Lejano - House of Representatives - 15 May 2017
Rep. Gary Alejano (Photo by AARON FAVILA / AP)

Magdalo Rep. Gary Alejano has called on the government to cancel the purchase order for two warships, claiming the Philippine Navy has been “baited” by the contractor into going for inferior technology and giving up its right to choose the vessels’ defense systems.

In a privilege speech on Monday evening, Alejano claimed the P15.5-billion Frigate Acquisition Project was a case where the “contractor won over the Navy.”

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General Discussion / Re: "Game of the Flag Officers"
« on: January 16, 2018, 07:06:18 PM »
Plot thickens further

Duterte: Prove Go meddled in acquisition of warships and I’ll fire him
By: Nestor Corrales - Reporter / @NCorralesINQ INQUIRER.net / 08:27 PM January 16, 2018
Rodrigo Duterte - 16 Jan 2018

President Rodrigo Duterte speaks at the inauguration of the new Communications, Navigation, Surveillance / Air Traffic Management (CNS/ATM) Systems Development Project at the Philippine Air Traffic Management Center (PATMC) in Pasay City on Tuesday, Jan. 16, 2018. (Photo from an RTVM video)

President Rodrigo Duterte will fire special assistant to the president Christopher “Bong” Go if the allegations that he intervened in the P15.5-billion project of the government to acquire warships for the Philippine Navy could be proven true.

But Duterte defended Go as he slammed a report on Go, saying it was “pregnant with falsity.”

“Who gave you idea he can intervene?” Duterte told reporters in an ambush interview in Pasay City. “Where is his signature? Where is your statement? And where is your… even a point of reference?”

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Bong Go denies hand in Navy frigate procurement
Audrey Morallo (philstar.com) - January 16, 2018 - 6:10pm

MANILA, Philippines — Special Assistant to the President Christopher "Bong" Go on Tuesday denied that he dipped his hands into the Philippine Navy's procurement of frigates as part of the military's modernization program.

In a statement, Go denied that he had information or knowledge of the procurement of the combat management system of the Navy for its ships. He added that he had not intervened in the procurement of the Department of National Defense of the computer system for its frigates.

"I have not participated nor intervened, directly or indirectly, in the transactions of DND. Clarification on the issues should be addressed to SND Lorenzana," Go said, referring to Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana.

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General Discussion / Re: "Game of the Flag Officers"
« on: January 16, 2018, 07:03:06 PM »
Congress is now in the mix


PAG-ISIPAN NG MABUTI BAGO PUMIRMA

https://www.facebook.com/Rep.AlejanoMagdalo/photos/a.492731634186147.1073741828.490802617712382/1407001932759108/?type=3&theater&ifg=1

Magdalo to Navy’s Technical Inspection and Acceptance Committee of the Frigate Acquisition Project: Better think twice before affixing signatures on the Hyundai’s Frigate Design

MAGDALO Partylist Representative Gary C. Alejano is making a brotherly advise to members of the Navy’s Technical and Acceptance Committee (TIAC) involved in the Frigate Acquisition Project (FAP) to be very careful in affixing their signatures to the Frigate Design of the winning bidder Hyundai Heavy Industries. "It is crucial that technical specifications as stated in the Frigate Contract Agreement are faithfully complied with by Hyundai. The Design (together with two purchase orders) is the output of the Critical Design and Review Phase, the first phase of the ten phases, of the project which is akin to a blueprint of a building," he stressed.

Alejano said that Frigate Design is important because once it is approved and accepted by the end-user, which is the Philippine Navy, actual cutting of steel would commence. "If the design is non-compliant to the technical specifications, then the Navy would have inferior and questionable frigates later on. Should problems arise in the future the people involved in the project could be investigated and legally held liable," the former Marine officer reminded.

The two frigates cost the Filipino taxpayers Php 15.5 billion of the AFP Modernization Program.

It can be recalled that Rep. Alejano raised an alarm on the highly unusual relief of Vice Admiral Mercado as Navy’s Flag Officer-In-Command two weeks ago which he suspected has something to do with the controversial Frigate Acquisition Project of the Philippine Navy. He stated that he will file a resolution to investigate the controversy.

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General Discussion / Re: Nuke alert false alarm
« on: January 16, 2018, 10:03:14 AM »
Hawaii has been preparing for a missile attack; now its credibility is under fire
By Madison Park, CNN

Updated 1:40 AM ET, Tue January 16, 2018

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/15/us/hawaii-false-alarm-sirens/index.html

(CNN)Hawaii takes emergency preparedness very seriously.

So seriously that in December, the state started testing its nuclear warning siren system that would alert residents to an impending nuclear missile strike. This was the first of such tests in Hawaii since the end of the Cold War, and came after several threats from North Korean leader Kim Jong Un that his country's missiles are extending their range.

Officials said the purpose of the nuclear warning siren tests is not to scare the public, but to keep people aware.
But on Saturday, an emergency missile alert accidentally went out to everyone in the state, causing mass panic as people thought they were about to die.
hawaii missle alert false alarm

The false alarm has come under criticism from officials, the FCC, residents and others in Hawaii. Hawaii's Emergency Management Agency and Gov. David Ige apologized for the error, which was blamed on an emergency worker hitting the wrong template during a routine drill.

On Monday, the leaders of the Emergency Management Agency announced they're suspending those siren tests while they investigate.

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General Discussion / Re: "Game of the Flag Officers"
« on: January 15, 2018, 11:07:43 PM »
Every problem has a beginning. For folks who don't remember . . .

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Wanted: Consultant for PH Navy's P18.9-B warships deal
The chosen consultant is expected to lend technical expertise, including inputs on seaworthiness and design

Carmela Fonbuena
@carmelafonbuena
Published 4:55 PM, January 21, 2014
Updated 4:55 PM, January 21, 2014

https://www.rappler.com/nation/48521-philippines-frigates-consultants

MANILA, Philippines – The Department of National Defense (DND) set aside P25 million to allow the Philippine Navy to hire a consultancy firm that will assist in finalizing the technical specifications of the much-awaited two warships it is acquiring for P18.9 billion.

"The consultant will classify seaworthiness and design...They will provide technical expertise. I'm not saying we do not have it. Pero hindi naman kami nagmamayabang that we know everything," said Commodore Ronald Mercado of the DND Bids and Awards Committee-Technical Working Group (BAC-TWG).

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"The frigates for bidding are brand new ones. Included in the package are capabilities like having primary and secondary guns, missile system, anti-submarine warfare weapon system, and electronic warfare system," explained Navy spokesman Lt Cmdr Gregory Fabic.

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The consultancy contract will not be bidded out. Navy chief Vice Admiral Jose Luis Alano will be the approving authority.

"We will have to look first at consultants in the region who have proven experience. I have some people already doing the research. We have to look for a proven expert. And when we've identified it, we have to do some market research," Mercado added.

The Navy-BAC on Monday, January 20, sought an issuance by the DND of a special authority to hire the consultants for P25 million. It was approved by Defense undersecretary for finance Fernando Manalo.

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The Navy is set to proceed with the workshops with the qualified bidders to prepare for the second stage of bidding. The Navy is currently using reservists for help in the bidding process.

Mercado said they need the consultants by February before the BAC can proceed to the more crucial second stage of the bidding process, when the technical aspects and the financial proposals will be discussed.

The consultants will help determine the ship design and the weapons system that the Navy can require of the bidders, considering the funding involved. – Rappler.com

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General Discussion / The AFP needs you
« on: January 15, 2018, 10:54:46 PM »
From: https://www.facebook.com/CivilRelationsServiceAFP/posts/1784647891553927

In line with efforts to beef up its forces in the ongoing campaign against terrorists and other lawless elements, the Armed Forces of the Philippines announced that it was recruiting 5,500 troops for this year.

Of the 5,500 troops to be recruited this year, 3,500 will go to the Army and remaining 2,000 to be split evenly between the Navy and Air Force.






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