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General Discussion / Re: RIMPAC 2018 -- Philippine Navy
« on: June 26, 2018, 06:03:58 PM »
  Darn it, if I did not switch jobs I would be there 2nd week of July. >:( Could have seen the inside of both ships.

General Discussion / Re: Damage Control training @ PN
« on: June 14, 2018, 09:18:39 PM »
  First Korean made frigate by 2020.  Expecting the plank owners who will need to undergo systems training will start formal training late 2018 to early 2019. Hopefully, it will include sailing with similar class Korean frigates. May not have the same combat systems but the layout will be the same (1st deck & below most likely and the helipad/ hangar). It will be important to learn how the Korean personnel approach different casualty drills (casualty=human or machinery in DC terms). While over there, maybe source out how much is it to buy Korean made firefighting ensemble and other equipment, maybe cheaper.

   For a trained crew with regards to Damage Control, it took 45 days to learn different casualty drills and pass an acceptance inspection we're safe to sail. I'm referring to a crew swap of 2 different class ships. From an LHD to an LHA and vise versa. Cross training was important since the ships were completely different. Flammable/ explosive store rooms, crew compartments (ours went from 2nd deck to 01 level), entry to #1 & 2 MMR amidship, location of AFFF (foam) stations etc. After being allowed to sail, training/ inspection at sea again for the combat systems / general quarters and casualty drills all over again. For old folks, like REFTRA! Less stressful than INSURV.

Military History / Re: US bases rejected in the Philippines
« on: June 14, 2018, 05:04:22 PM »
  Harsh economic situation during the elder Bush's term was another factor and also the reason Clinton won ("It's the economy, stupid!" was a rally point). The US was in no position and money to fund the amount the Philippines wanted ($300M+/annually, I think).  For the opposition senators to say it was about nationalism  / patriotism the rejection of the treaty extension, was kind of BS in my opinion. It's who called bluff and lost. 

General Discussion / Re: Damage Control training @ PN
« on: June 13, 2018, 10:32:04 PM »
Feedback coming back from various PN sources.

On the matter of DC training

"Yes, DC is part of the shipboard module of all shipboarding courses. It's all standard theoreticals and practicals while in school. It only changes when one gets his/her assigned bow number. To each ship it's own...

On the matter of the disparity in how the Del Pilar crews conducted DC drills.

. . . for the damage control training and provisions all i can say is the del pilar class ships have inherited how the USN/USCG conducts dmage control to include their provisions..

as for the LDs they are not so equipped just like the del pilar class... this includes fire firghting ensembles and suit...

onboard del pilar ships... all personnel to be posted on that ship will undergo DC training for one week... that includes all of them.. and its being conducted by the ships DCTT - Dmg Control Training Team this includes training on fire fighting donning of SCABAs EEDBs pip patching shoring and everything which i think the LDs doesnt have

....still begs the question, why the disparity in training & equipment? They had their chance to include it on the budget for the 2 amphibious ships, now the only reason is because the equipment 7 training were inherited from the USCG? Pointing fingers again. Like what I mentioned, 7 years gone by & still crawling not able to feed itself. 

General Discussion / Re: Damage Control training @ PN
« on: June 12, 2018, 11:28:51 PM »
  Who trains who? Is there a school house (even for basic firefighting) for incoming recruits? I have seen sailors with DC rating (MOS) on the watch standing boards of some ships posted in the forum. Are they real Damage Control specialists? If yes, that means they have advanced & specialized DC training? Is there a formal school for them, complete with facilities that really gets flooded or set on fire and taught how to maintain & repair DC equipment, like water pumps, toilets, showers & CHT (Collection, Holding & Transfer tank/s). When will those sailors from the 3 Del Pilar class rotate out of sea duty and encouraged to be instructors? There should be at least 2-3 school house locations to provide refresher training (also incentive for drawing instructors to apply due to location).
  My training and exposure to DC was being ship's company (not squadron, different firefighting approach, still the same science). Also, each ship has a Damage Control Training Team (DCTT) whose main purpose to ensure all drill scenarios are simulated like the real one. It is also the one graded by inspection teams from Type Commanders (TYCOMs). If you fail, the ship is not ready. I was "volunteered" to join and had to learn it from advanced shipboard firefighting course (know how to plug & brace) since I'm supposed to train the same qualified people manning the repair lockers. Kind of embarrassing if I was clueless when I write-up a drill scenario. Not claiming to be an expert, but I learned the importance of Damage Control. PN still fortunate, they don't have to worry about CBR (Chemical Biological Radiological) scenarios right now.


General Discussion / Re: Damage Control training @ PN
« on: June 10, 2018, 08:51:11 PM »
      I’m not trying to insult or put down the organization, just disappointed to see the navy has long way to go in one important facet of naval warfare, damage control. May 2011 was when the PF-15 was transferred to the PN.  A lot of knowledge and skill sets have been gained ever since with follow-up acquisition of 2 more Hamilton class ships. Seven years have past! So, what do they (leaders in charge of manpower education & training) have to show with regards to at least adapting/ or standardizing their own damage control education/ program? I could point out some other minor observations like some ship riders (SEALS & marines) seems to get their first experience in basic firefighting and live hose use  already underway. That should have been on a school house setting. They learn how to become back-up manpower to the ship’s damage control organization. The ship riders have to understand, once onboard, it’s HOME. Onboard, they get to know their battle stations (mustering point) in case “battle stations” is called. They learn with ship’s main crew by participating in drills and learning where the repair lockers are and how to set material conditions (Yoke/ Zebra/ William in securing hatches, scuttles etc). 
   Using live hoses for drills/ training is a waste of water supply vital to cooling spaces with essential electronic gears.  Wait till the PN get hold of the new Korean frigates. Do the sailors & officers think air conditioning and chill water (CHW) supply is for their comfort? In the Persian Gulf, if one of the ship’s cooling systems or water supply malfunctions, water rationing is enforced on the crew, not to the spaces where the vital electronics are used or located. Air conditioning is shut-off on sleeping quarters and non-essential spaces. Hurricane fans are distributed, though, but it’s horrible. Damage control personnel & work center technicians must have the knowledge where to jumper/ re-route a damage chill water supply line to let's say the radar systems from another space or side of the ship. So, to whoever is reading this from the PN, “are you there yet?”

General Discussion / Re: Damage Control training @ PN
« on: June 08, 2018, 09:30:00 PM »
   Just to elaborate, Damage Control Central (DCC) contains all the information of the ship, from pipe location, hatches, circuit breakers, magazines, crew quarters etc, through maps/ drawings, necessary to fight whatever damage the ship will encounter.  Seeing being done on a conference room, not realistic. If DCC gets taken out, contingency is to move to another repair locker where the same maps & drawings, comms are available. "Train the way you fight." RIMPAC is to show you're capable fighting force.

General Discussion / Re: Damage Control training @ PN
« on: June 08, 2018, 08:43:00 PM »
   It seems training is not standardized or damage control "is to each his own." The three Del Pilars came from one source and were trained longer (DC were all the same concept). I suspect the two personnel seen on the simulated firefighting primary station is the flight deck (asbestos clad suits). It was awkward to see them with helmets, since their head cover is supposed to be the same material as the garment.  I even saw an image (from another thread) of what was supposed to be Damage Control Central (DCC) on a conference room :(. My experience, DCC is down at main engineering, Chief Engineer (CHENG) runs the whole DC evolution. Unless PNs chief engineers likes to hang around ward rooms & conference rooms (it's not hot).

General Discussion / Re: Damage Control training @ PN
« on: June 08, 2018, 04:08:04 PM »

RIMPAC 2018| Fleet Training and Doctrine Center (FTDC) of the Philippine Fleet oversaw the conduct of the Special Operational Readiness Evaluation (ORE) onboard BRP Davao Del Sur (LD602) and BRP Andres Bonifacio (FF17) to ensure the operational readiness of the ships and crew as it prepares for its International Defense and Security Engagement (IDSE) in Hawaii.

The PN could have used the money to purchase new BDUs for firefighter's ensemble/ gloves, other firefighting equipment (even NFTI) to equip repair lockers on ships. You can see only two have protective gear (this was on the LSD, I think). A team usually have 5 to 6 members. Have not learned. Too excited to show-off for RIMPAC?

    I wonder how is the training cycle of PN sailors with regards to crew rotation, especially PF-15 (it's been 4 years). From Red Justice posts from the old forum, there seems to be a lot of "homesteading" among ship's personnel. Also, I have not seen any press releases from NETC or type commands the establishment of inspection teams/ group that go around the force to inspect compliance with different programs (engineering, DC, safety, preventive maintenance, budget etc.). With newer assets and platforms (air component) coming in the horizon, culture has to change and adjust to ensure readiness. There should be ownership and accountability.   

General Discussion / Re: Where it makes sense to go Russian
« on: November 30, 2016, 12:42:01 AM » still requires sustainable funding and proper management to operate whatever fancy toys the Russians will offer. Nothing to be excited about. 

General Discussion / Re: A tale of two SAWs
« on: November 30, 2016, 12:34:43 AM »
....would Gen Martir be privy on disclosing if the very institutions GA is supporting (PA, PMC, PAF, PNP) are up to date on payments with regards to services rendered and ammunition supplied? Not familiar about the arrangements made with regards to the business side when no bidding is required. One gov't entity to another.

Food Security / Re: China offers to boost PHL food production
« on: November 14, 2016, 11:51:19 PM »
Top Chinese fisheries official meets with Zambales fishermen | GMA news - November 13, 2016
Beijing Fisheries Assistant Director Liu Sin Chong said he visited the country, specifically Zambales, on orders of Chinese President Xi Jinping.

The visit came weeks after President Rodrigo Duterte's official visit to China as his administration moves to have closer ties with the Asian giant amid its territorial disputes with the Philippines.

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Chinese authorities also said they are open to providing additional knowledge to Filipino fishermen in terms of agriculture, aquaculture, fish cages, and other alternative livelihoods.

To achieve this, Bureau of Fisheries and Aquatic Resources (BFAR) Regional Director Willie Cruz has been tasked to coordinate and send technicians to China for workshops.

"China will support the Philippines in developing aqua-culture, fishery products processing so as to help deliver a better life for the fishermen of the Philippines," Liu said.
...what's going on here? Since the 80s, SEAFDEC (funded by JICA mostly) at Tigbauan, Iloilo have been in the forefront of aquaculture and hatchery technology from bangus to prawns? Sometimes, I truly believe "stupidity have to be painful."

First posts / Re: Taps for Firenzi @ Timawa
« on: November 14, 2016, 11:38:16 PM »
  Thoughts and prayers, Capt. Firenzi. Fair winds and following seas.

Keep them working / Re: This must never happen again
« on: October 26, 2016, 10:23:15 PM »
^ Baseline would mean either as percentage availability of the total aircraft on a squadron -- example -- 70-80%; (or in ships) in number of days available per year -- example -- 270 days.  Those are just examples for western armed forces.  I'm not talking about our PAF or Navy.

  The baseline equates to a lot of things, mission capabilities and how it reached to that point (any unit). This measures the quality of the people behind to make things happen (from supply to end-users), training etc. Careers are either made or broken depending on the end-result. I don't even belong to a frontline unit, but every mission counts, since it involves multiple agencies and entities that cost time and money and if one player fails to show-up, money and time goes down the drain. So... it's relevant to ask, what is the PAF/PN's capability baseline?  You brought it up as a measure for comparison. How often was CAS or medevac not available (not just on major operations in order to set the bar)? I'm not starting an argument, but the baby steps to modernization seems to be a crawl and it's not cheap. Even with icing on the cake, the taste is still stale.

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