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Title: Retitled: China offers arms to the Philippines
Post by: adroth on December 14, 2016, 01:14:44 AM
Offer made but nothing definite on gun sale from China —DND
Published December 12, 2016 2:54pm

The Department of National Defense on Monday confirmed that China has offered weapons to the country but could not give details on what firearms were being peddled and by what firm.

“May offer lang sila," said Undersecretary Raymundo Elefante, the DND undersecretary for finance, munitions, installations, and material.

Asked what kinds of guns were being offered, he said, "That’s to be determined pa or something like that. Hindi ko masabi kung anong specific."

He also cannot say which company will supply the firearms.

- See more at: http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/592150/news/nation/offer-made-but-nothing-definite-on-gun-sale-from-china-dnd#sthash.1KIytcXP.dpuf
Title: Re: Retitled: China offers arms to the Philippines
Post by: israeli on December 20, 2016, 01:13:46 AM
China offers $14-M arms package to PH - Lorenzana (http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/12/20/16/china-offers-14-m-arms-package-to-ph-lorenzana)
Reuters
Posted at Dec 20 2016 02:53 PM

MANILA - China has offered to provide $14 million worth of small arms and fast boats to the Philippines for free, aiding President Rodrigo Duterte's war on drugs and fighting terrorism, Manila's defense minister said on Tuesday.

The offer was made by China's ambassador Zhao Jianhua during a meeting with Duterte late on Monday night at the presidential palace, Delfin Lorenzana said, adding Beijing has also made available $500 million long-term soft loan for other equipment.

"China has given us a list of military equipment and we will go through it to find out what we really need," Lorenzana told reporters after giving out Christmas gifts to wounded soldiers at an army hospital in Manila.

"We might get some small arms, fast boats and night vision goggles because $14.4 million is not that much. We will finalize the deal before the end of the year and a technical working team will soon go there to look at the equipment."

Lorenzana said they hope to get the Chinese armaments by the second quarter next year. "The Chinese ambassador last night told the president, I know your problem in drugs so we would like to help you," he added.

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Title: Re: Retitled: China offers arms to the Philippines
Post by: spoon on December 20, 2016, 05:33:55 AM
Its seems this offer is moving forward. If the DND would have a choice of firearms to choose from ( taking out the AK/type56 series as these are not 5.56 caliber and non STANAG magazine compatible ). Choices would be:

Norinco QBZ-97A/B series (which is 5.56 nato and accepts STANAG magazines )

QBZ-97A

(http://www.imfdb.org/images/2/26/QBZ97A.jpg)

QBZ-97B

(http://www.imfdb.org/images/a/a4/QBZ97B.jpg)

Norinco QBZ-03 (5.56 nato and accepts any stanag magazines )

(http://www.imfdb.org/images/e/ea/QBZ-03_556.jpg)

Norinco CQ 5.56mm Type A Assault Carbine (m4 unlicensed copy and currently used by the BJMP and some LGUs for law enforcement duties )

(http://www.imfdb.org/images/4/48/Norinco_cq-m4.jpg)

and the less likey pick

Norinco Model 311

(http://www.imfdb.org/images/d/d9/CQ311.jpg)
Title: Re: Retitled: China offers arms to the Philippines
Post by: LionFlyer on December 20, 2016, 06:34:37 AM
Its seems this offer is moving forward. If the DND would have a choice of firearms to choose from ( taking out the AK/type56 series as these are not 5.56 caliber and non STANAG magazine compatible ). Choices would be:
Long arms of the 5.56m calibre doesn't seem particular lacking, given the R4 replacement for front line units and old M16A1s that  they replaced which could be refurbished by GA.

How about sidearms or crew served weapons ?
Title: Re: Retitled: China offers arms to the Philippines
Post by: mamiyapis on December 20, 2016, 08:00:05 AM
Three words:

Hammer Forging Machine.

Delivered to the GA, with technical support for the next 5 years, and maybe a few 5-axis CNC machines to produce mandrels and spares for the hammer forge.

Also, tech transfer on rockets, specifically the ability to produce RPGs and 2.75" rockets independently. If they're feeling generous, then some facilities to make our own 76mm cannon shells.

Why depend when you can independ.
Title: Re: Retitled: China offers arms to the Philippines
Post by: adroth on December 20, 2016, 10:52:36 AM
Three words:

Hammer Forging Machine.

Delivered to the GA, with technical support for the next 5 years, and maybe a few 5-axis CNC machines to produce mandrels and spares for the hammer forge.

Also, tech transfer on rockets, specifically the ability to produce RPGs and 2.75" rockets independently. If they're feeling generous, then some facilities to make our own 76mm cannon shells.

Why depend when you can independ.

Now you're talking  :D

It's worth noting that most of the GA's original machines were actually Japanese, c/o of war reparations. The US never gave us equipment for self-manufacture
Title: Re: Retitled: China offers arms to the Philippines
Post by: sirius on December 21, 2016, 10:04:45 AM
The QBZ-97 has a flat top version which might be better for compatibility with optics mounts

(http://www.tigerarms.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Type97FTU.jpg)

Title: Re: Retitled: China offers arms to the Philippines
Post by: Invictus on December 21, 2016, 08:53:37 PM
DND to tailor equipment list to fit into Chinese 100-M yuan grant (http://)

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MANILA, Dec. 22 (PNA) -- Department of National Defense (DND) Secretary Delfin Lorenzana said they are now tailoring the list of equipment which they intend to acquire under China's one-time grant worth 100 million yuan.

“We at the DND and Armed Forces of the Philippines are still preparing our list,” he added.

“We do not know yet the quantities, but we are looking at fast boats, drones, night vision goggles, and communications equipment," Lorenzana stressed.

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The Chinese envoy conveyed that the grant is China’s support to the President’s war on illegal drugs and terrorism.

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It was also mentioned earlier that the $USD 500M loan is intended for big-ticket items.

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The Chinese government also offered a low-interest long-term loan amounting to USD500 million.

Lorenzana said the DND will study the offer vis-à-vis the current AFP Modernization Program. (PNA)
BNB/PFN
Title: Re: Retitled: China offers arms to the Philippines
Post by: Invictus on December 22, 2016, 04:31:40 AM
AFP welcomes military aid from China despite West PHL Sea Dispute (http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/593425/news/nation/afp-welcomes-military-aid-from-china-despite-west-phl-sea-dispute)

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Despite Chinese activities in Philippine-claimed territories in the South China Sea, the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) on Thursday said it welcomes the more than P700 million ($14 million) in military aid being offered by China.

"Bilang isang bansa kinikilala po natin ang ating pakikipagkapit-bansa. Kung meron pong naghahatid ng tulong o naghahandog ng tulong sa atin base sa ating pangangailangan, wala naman po sigurong masama kung ito ay ating titingnan at ating tatanggapin bilang isang kapwa bansa," -- AFP Public Affairs Office chief Col. Edgard Arevalo said.

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Title: Re: Retitled: China offers arms to the Philippines
Post by: miggye on December 22, 2016, 07:55:52 AM
Sirius, the AFP and the PNP have serious reservations about the QBZ. One of them being that the Gun is not ambidextrous, meaning that 15-18% of the AFP would have to undergo serious retraining to handle a Right Handed rifle.....
Title: Re: Retitled: China offers arms to the Philippines
Post by: SG99n1 on December 22, 2016, 08:31:11 AM
Lesson learn coming from the Thais about chinese equipment
https://www.facebook.com/Bulldog.434.Cliffhanger/posts/10210534411857500

...With a pro-China Thai government taking over in 2001, Thailand once again turned to the PRC as a source of arms. In 2001 the Defense Ministry agreed to buy Chinese-manufactured rocket propelled grenade launchers and in December 2002 placed a $98 million order for two Thai-designed offshore patrol vessels (OPVs). The two vessels—Pattani and Narathiwat—were delivered in late 2005. However, further offers by China to sell a range of defense equipment to the Kingdom failed to materialize. This included a follow-on order for two OPVs and an unspecified number of main battle tanks, while a proposed barter exchange deal involving 66,000 tons of dried Thai Longan fruit for Chinese-made APCs also fell through (instead Thailand purchased APCs from South Africa). Resistance from the Thai military on quality grounds was one reason for the failure to secure further orders.
As for Thailand's procured weapons from China, the unreliable Type-69 main battle tanks acquired in 1987 were withdrawn from service after a short service with the Thai Army, many were dumped in the sea to serve as artificial reefs and to improve the eco system. The Chinese warships are now mostly equipped with western naval weapons systems, communications and sensors replacing the primitive and unreliable Chinese systems. Chinese made 130mm artillery pieces were also placed on reserve status....
Title: Re: Retitled: China offers arms to the Philippines
Post by: LionFlyer on December 22, 2016, 04:24:55 PM
The article is rather one sided. The Thai Army ordered new VT4 MBTs recently and DTI (Thailand's defence agency) maintain deep ties with China for the transfer of technology, specific for the Wanshan series surface to surface rockets.
Title: Re: Retitled: China offers arms to the Philippines
Post by: sirius on December 22, 2016, 06:34:34 PM
Sirius, the AFP and the PNP have serious reservations about the QBZ. One of them being that the Gun is not ambidextrous, meaning that 15-18% of the AFP would have to undergo serious retraining to handle a Right Handed rifle.....

That's good to hear. I'm really not in favor of that rifle... if the AFP/PNP were to get a bullpup I would take the SAR21 over the QBZ-97. Though I would still prefer the M4/M16 over either...
Title: Re: Retitled: China offers arms to the Philippines
Post by: adroth on February 08, 2017, 09:39:22 PM
PH submits defense equipment wishlist to China
Defense Chief Delfin Lorenzana says they are waiting for China to approve the list which includes boats and drones

Pia Ranada
@piaranada
Published 5:57 PM, February 07, 2017
Updated 6:50 PM, February 07, 2017

http://www.rappler.com/nation/160746-defense-equipment-list-submitted-china

MANILA, Philippines (UPDATED) – The Philippines has submitted to China the list of defense equipment it hopes Beijing can supply through a $14-million grant, Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana said on Tuesday, February 7,

"Na-formalize namin 'yan...Meron na tayong listahan doon eh (It has been formalized...We already have a list that is with them)," Lorenzana said in an interview with reporters in Malacañang on Tuesday, when asked about the list of defense equipment.

He said he gave the list of equipment to Chinese Ambassador Zhao Jianhua "3 weeks ago."

Once China approves the funding, a representative of the Philippine government will go to China

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Asked whether the wish list includes precision-guided munitions, Lorenzana said, "Yes." He added, "We asked for many things – boats, drones."

But in a text to Rappler, Lorenzana said the precision-guided munitions are in a list of equipment to be covered by a $500 million soft loan, not the $14 million grant.

He specified that the Philippines is asking for precision-guided munitions, not missiles, which are more "sophisticated."

Precision-guided munitions are satellite-guided munitions designed to hit a specific target. Lorenzana said PGMs will "lessen" casualties, compared to the use of unguided bombs.

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Title: Re: Retitled: China offers arms to the Philippines
Post by: redcomet_m on February 08, 2017, 11:40:03 PM
PGMs? is it an educated guess to assume that the drones would be the platform for those munitions? i cant see them being on the wish list boats lest they want their own pgms raining on their boats.

Title: Re: Retitled: China offers arms to the Philippines
Post by: adroth on February 08, 2017, 11:46:21 PM
PGMs? is it an educated guess to assume that the drones would be the platform for those munitions? i cant see them being on the wish list boats lest they want their own pgms raining on their boats.

If these are guided by the Beidou system . . . China could potentially turn off access. Rendering them useless against them.

Chinese precision guided weapons use their own satellite navigation system. If this ever happens . . . could the AFP become a user of the Beidou satellite navigation system?

He specified that the Philippines is asking for precision-guided munitions, not missiles, which are more "sophisticated."

Precision-guided munitions are satellite-guided munitions designed to hit a specific target. Lorenzana said PGMs will "lessen" casualties, compared to the use of unguided bombs.

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Beidou

https://www.liveviewgps.com/blog/gps-main-competitors-galileo-beidou-glonass/

Currently, China’s Beidou satellite navigation system operates with 16 satellites that service the Asia-Pacific region, but current plans include global expansion to 30 satellites by 2020. The current system is accurate to within five meters in trials and has designs on improvements to reach accuracy measurements within centimeters in order to compete with the US GPS, which is the current dominant force in positioning systems worldwide.

The Chinese government sees the success of Beidou as critical for successful, accurate, and independent navigation for military purposes, including the guidance of missiles, warships, and attack aircraft. They are quick to point out, however, that the implications reach far beyond militaristic designs and work for civilian purposes as well.

Beidou offers something no other GPS system does offer though by providing telecommunication services. In addition to providing users with location and time information, Beidou also allows them to communicate with other users through text messages.

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https://www.researchgate.net/figure/236080831_fig1_Figure-1-Ground-tracks-of-the-BeiDou-satellites-and-distribution-of-the-experimental

 Ground tracks of the BeiDou satellites and distribution of the experimental tracking stations

(http://defenseph.net/bootcamp/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Figure-1-Ground-tracks-of-the-BeiDou-satellites-and-distribution-of-the-experimental.png)

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China’s version of GPS ‘is now just as accurate’
Developer of Beidou global positioning system says it can match performance of US rival
PUBLISHED : Monday, 26 September, 2016, 12:00am
UPDATED : Monday, 26 September, 2016, 12:00am
COMMENTS: 10


China’s Beidou navigation system is now accurate within centimetres and on par with the US Global Positioning System (GPS), said a scientist who has been developing the technology.

The system could even offer more precise positioning services than its US rival within China, but further support was needed to make GPS users switch to Beidou, navigational-systems expert Xu Ying said at a technology expo in Hong Kong on Sunday.

Beijing has been building the system to make its domestic users, including the military, less dependent on foreign technology. Most Chinese lighthouses, military facilities and fishing boats had been using it since an Asia-Pacific network was completed in 2012, officials said earlier.

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Title: Re: Retitled: China offers arms to the Philippines
Post by: redcomet_m on February 09, 2017, 01:07:41 AM
How does the forum feel about the drones that we are requesting considering the marines already have a system in mind?

Title: Re: Retitled: China offers arms to the Philippines
Post by: LionFlyer on February 09, 2017, 06:39:51 AM
PGMs? is it an educated guess to assume that the drones would be the platform for those munitions? i cant see them being on the wish list boats lest they want their own pgms raining on their boats.

Could be these. PGMs doesn't necessarily mean air-to-ground.

http://www.deagel.com/library/Chinese-GP-1-Krasnopol-M2-guided-155mm-projectile_m02013110100032.aspx
Title: Re: Retitled: China offers arms to the Philippines
Post by: Juramentado on February 09, 2017, 10:05:14 AM
I haven't found any good sources that indicate GJV289A is MIL-STD-1553 compatible.

That being said, one way this could work is if PRC "copied" Raytheon's WiPak. Then the various air-droppable PGMs can be used theoretically on the Broncos.
Title: Re: Retitled: China offers arms to the Philippines
Post by: adroth on February 09, 2017, 05:59:39 PM
Would be interesting if the DND acquires the rights to produce these locally. THAT would make this experiment worthwhile.
Title: Re: Retitled: China offers arms to the Philippines
Post by: SG99n1 on February 10, 2017, 08:23:35 PM
http://www.norinco.com/GB/61/76/81/index.html

Norinco website touts their air-launched weapons can be mounted on both eastern and western fighters..
Would they need some modifications to be performed to our existing platforms?
Title: Re: Retitled: China offers arms to the Philippines
Post by: LionFlyer on February 11, 2017, 07:53:22 AM
http://www.norinco.com/GB/61/76/81/index.html

Norinco website touts their air-launched weapons can be mounted on both eastern and western fighters..
Would they need some modifications to be performed to our existing platforms?

1. Physical
The lugs on Chinese PGMs need to be able to fit the existing hardpoints/ejector racks on the FA-50s

2. Electrical/Data Comm
Need to support MIL-STD-1760 (704/1553)

3. Stores Management System
The stores management system is the heart of combat aircraft's weapon system, because it interfaces the sensors to the munitions. The SMS must be updated to "recognize" that munition that's hanging off the hardpoints. The FA-50 reportedly uses a system from Dynamic Controls Hamilton Sundstrand.

1. and 2. should be well within the capabilities of the Chinese. 3. is sketchy at best because it requires the OEM's support. Without it, it will have to be an unauthorized modification (possibly by spoofing the SMS into thinking that it's an MK82?) KAI still needs to approve and validate it at some point. Sticking bits on an airplane will have an effect on the flight characteristics.

All said and done, it's possible. But whether it's a good idea is another matter. Pakistan have been using Chinese platforms (F-7PGs, JF-17) and their munitions. But I don't see them integrating it on their F-16s and F1s, which uses exclusively Western munitions.

The other way would be what Juramentado had suggested.
Title: Re: Retitled: China offers arms to the Philippines
Post by: mamiyapis on February 11, 2017, 08:21:18 AM
I haven't found any good sources that indicate GJV289A is MIL-STD-1553 compatible.

That being said, one way this could work is if PRC "copied" Raytheon's WiPak. Then the various air-droppable PGMs can be used theoretically on the Broncos.

We have to remember that the PLA and Beijing had access to US weapons technology right up until 1986, which means a great deal of information they were allowed access to before Tiananmen is fairly relevant and current.

They had hands in Improved TOW, US artillery shell tech, 70's US avionics tech(aborted attempt at upgrading their aircraft), and even sonar technology from the same time frame. US improvements to weaponry have been fairly incremental and more evolutionary than transformative.

There are also Chengdu J/F-7s on the export market that have been fitted for French Magic R550 missiles from the factory. Plus the Chinese have been chummy with the Pakistanis who have access to birds like the F16. Not to mention the integration and license production of Israeli weapons and avionics for their fighter aircraft.

We also need to remember the Chinese have almost everything on the F35, which would probably include technical specifications for weapons and things like MIL-STD-1553.

TL:DR - The Chinese probably have a good idea of how to work with MILSTD 1553


https://www.google.com.ph/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.discs.dsca.mil/Pubs/Indexes/Vol%25208-1/Dumbaugh%2520%26%2520Grimmett.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwiasaqLqYjSAhWHE5QKHSXwA6IQFggkMAE&usg=AFQjCNGJxSlHhuO5Z4uxnn0gTcPas5ClcA&sig2=W35aW6-JF5tla1ZC0Oi8uQ
Title: Re: Retitled: China offers arms to the Philippines
Post by: LionFlyer on February 11, 2017, 05:45:38 PM
Quote

TL:DR - The Chinese probably have a good idea of how to work with MILSTD 1553
Ah, yes the Chinese knows the Mil Std because it is not a big secret to begin with! For something that's been around more than 40 years and is fairly common, no subterfuge is required.

Title: Re: Retitled: China offers arms to the Philippines
Post by: mamiyapis on February 11, 2017, 08:39:09 PM
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TL:DR - The Chinese probably have a good idea of how to work with MILSTD 1553
Ah, yes the Chinese knows the Mil Std because it is not a big secret to begin with! For something that's been around more than 40 years and is fairly common, no subterfuge is required.

Exactly. Was pointing out it wouldn't be hard given all their exposure to Western weapons thru various means.

It wouldn't be difficult for them to engineer some kind of work-around. But if they bought drones and paired the Chinese PGMs with them, then that might be a workable solution.
Title: Re: Retitled: China offers arms to the Philippines
Post by: adroth on May 15, 2017, 12:18:52 AM
DND chief reveals Chinese firms’ offer of defense equipment to PH
Michelle Ong, ABS-CBN News

Posted at May 15 2017 12:30 AM | Updated as of May 15 2017 09:00 AM

http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/05/14/17/dnd-chief-reveals-chinese-firms-offer-of-defense-equipment-to-ph

BEIJING - Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana said on Sunday some Chinese companies are set to sign, on the final day of China’s Belt and Road forum, a letter expressing their intent to supply an array of defense equipment to the Philippines.

A US$500-million loan from the Chinese government will also be on standby, which the Philippines can draw from for funding once the modernization fund is fully used up.
 
Lorenzana, however, clarified that a technical team will first have to inspect the equipment being offered, while the Department of National Defense (DND) will have to consult with the Philippine Navy, Army and Air Force about their defense requirements.

 “We’re not saying we will buy or not. But if we need anything from the Chinese defense industry, we will procure using the loans they will offer us," he said.

Lorenzana also cited a $14-million (P700-million) China grant from December, which will be used to purchase 4 fast boats, 200 sniper rifles, and several hundreds of RPGs [rocket-propelled grenades] with ammunitions that will be delivered by the end of this year.
Title: Re: Retitled: China offers arms to the Philippines
Post by: adroth on May 15, 2017, 02:55:05 AM
BEIJING - Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana said on Sunday some Chinese companies are set to sign, on the final day of China’s Belt and Road forum, a letter expressing their intent to supply an array of defense equipment to the Philippines.

China is going all out with this marketing campaign.

The good: http://defenseph.net/drp/index.php?topic=1582.0

The bad: http://defenseph.net/drp/index.php?topic=1583.0

The brochure

NORINCO Releases the Belt and Road Brochure

http://www.norinco.com.cn/n/2015/1020/c62-503.html

NORINCO recently released the publicity brochure titled NORINCO Marching on the Belt and Road.

The brochure comprehensively illustrates NORINCO's preemptive advantages and remarkable achievements along the Belt and Road as a pioneer and leader of Chinese military trade, an important team to implement China’s Going Global strategy, and a leading force in the internationalization of the weapon industry.

 

The brochure includes new materials on the basis of the Belt and Road achievement exhibition, incorporates NORINCO's achievements in "five sectors and global coordination", and covers the progress on major projects, corporate culture and employee development. Consisting of seven chapters - caring leadership, backbone of defense cooperation, oil and gas industry pioneer, emerging force of mining development, builder of exemplary project, pioneer of civilian product cooperation and practitioner of social responsibilities, the brochure presents an all-round picture of NORINCO's outstanding contributions to the implementation of the Belt and Road Initiative and its accomplishments in branding, technological and business model innovation, and capability enhancement for international operation. Distributed among NORINCO's domestic and foreign partners as well as important customers, the brochure has taken positive effects.
Title: Re: Retitled: China offers arms to the Philippines
Post by: firstknight on May 15, 2017, 08:07:09 PM
Sanctioned China firm eyes AFP deal
By Christina Mendez (The Philippine Star) | Updated May 16, 2017 - 12:00am

BEIJING – A state-owned Chinese firm that was sanctioned by the United States for allegedly supplying weapons of mass destruction to Iran has expressed its intention to supply military hardware to the Philippines to boost the country’s defense capability.

Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana announced yesterday that state-owned conglomerate China Poly Group Corp. has expressed intent to supply arms and other equipment to the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP).

The offer casts a shadow of concern raised by China’s militarization in the South China Sea, which also comes on the heels of President Duterte’s pivot to China.

Duterte received officials of the China Poly Group Corp. and Poly Technologies Inc. who paid a courtesy call on him at the Grand Hyatt Hotel here last Sunday.

“It’s not yet a document. It’s a letter of intent to deal with them because they’re offering us a lot, a wide array of defense equipment,” said Lorenzana, who was present during the Poly Technologies’ call.

This is different from the $14-million grant and another $500-million loan offered by Beijing last year during Duterte’s visit here.

more here: http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2017/05/16/1700331/sanctioned-china-firm-eyes-afp-deal
Title: Re: Retitled: China offers arms to the Philippines
Post by: adroth on May 16, 2017, 08:47:26 PM
DND chief signs letter of intent with Chinese arm exporter Poly Group Corporation
May 15, 2017

http://www.pna.gov.ph/index.php/articles/987837

MANILA, May 15 -- The Department of National Defense (DND), representing the Philippine government, has signed Monday a letter of intent (LOI) for the purchase of weapons and other equipment from China's arms exporter, Poly Group Corporation.

This was confirmed by DND Secretary Delfin Lorenzana saying this is separate from the USD14 million grant given to the Philippines last year.

"Yes, I signed a letter of intent with Poly Group. No specific equipment or arms yet. We'll let the services decide what they went to acquire from China. This is not the USD14 million grant. It is a separate deal," he said.

Signing on behalf of Poly Group Group was it's president, Zhengao Zhang.

When asked whether it is in the interest of the Philippines to acquire Chinese-made weapons when most of the equipment of the Armed Forces of the Philippines is Western made, the DND chief said it will not be a problem.

"Weapons (nowadays) are all similar. They are used the same way. They can also be tailor-made for our specific requirements. Doctrine and training is peculiar to an Army so it won't be affected," he said. (Priam F. Nepomuceno/PNA)
Title: Re: Retitled: China offers arms to the Philippines
Post by: adroth on May 17, 2017, 06:19:01 PM
Hear hear

Lacson wants $500-M arms loan from China used for research
ABS-CBN News
Posted at May 16 2017 07:04 PM

http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/05/16/17/lacson-wants-500-m-arms-loan-from-china-used-for-research

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That can go a long way to getting the GA further along in its projects

http://defenseph.net/drp/index.php?topic=597.0
Title: Re: Retitled: China offers arms to the Philippines
Post by: adroth on July 04, 2017, 04:11:54 PM
First batch

(http://defenseph.net/bootcamp/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/duterte-china-military-aid-1024x576.jpg)

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Zhao was speaking at the ceremony for the turnover of military assistance that included TY-85 7.62mm sniper rifles, CS/LR4A high-precision rifles, and CQ-A5 5.56 automatic rifles. The shipment also came with 6 million rounds of ammunition, according to reports.

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From: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100016794528509 (Eunice Samonte)

(http://defenseph.net/bootcamp/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/19247719_145863252650158_1463243842606573902_n.jpg)

From: https://www.firearmsforum.com/firearms/Image/44300

(http://defenseph.net/bootcamp/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/I44300.jpg)

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Type 85

From: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100016794528509 (Eunice Samonte)

(http://defenseph.net/bootcamp/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/19437470_145863485983468_8645690558151812488_n.jpg)

(http://defenseph.net/bootcamp/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/19553910_145863069316843_4897261868461669787_n.jpg)

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CS/LR4A

From: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100016794528509 (Eunice Samonte)

(http://defenseph.net/bootcamp/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/19510547_145863449316805_8473054498993693516_n.jpg)

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Title: Re: Retitled: China offers arms to the Philippines
Post by: adroth on July 04, 2017, 04:29:37 PM
Its seems this offer is moving forward. If the DND would have a choice of firearms to choose from ( taking out the AK/type56 series as these are not 5.56 caliber and non STANAG magazine compatible ). Choices would be:

Norinco CQ 5.56mm Type A Assault Carbine (m4 unlicensed copy and currently used by the BJMP and some LGUs for law enforcement duties )

(http://www.imfdb.org/images/4/48/Norinco_cq-m4.jpg)


Looks like this is what they went with

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Title: Re: Retitled: China offers arms to the Philippines
Post by: Ayoshi on October 05, 2017, 01:53:38 AM
PNP to use new rifles, ammo donated by China—DND chief | Inquirer.net (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/935752/pnp-to-use-new-rifles-ammo-donated-by-china-dnd-chief-china-firearms-ammunition-donation-lorenzana) - October 05, 2017
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The sniper scopes, meanwhile, will be used by the military.

The first batch of the weapons, amounting to around $7 million donated by China last June, were also given to the PNP. It aimed to highlight the renewed ties of the two countries under the Duterte administration.

(http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/wp-content/blogs.dir/10/files/2017/10/China-firearms-620x465.jpeg)
The Department of National Defense shows the firearms and other military equipment donated by the Ministry of National Defense of the People’s Republic of China to the Armed Forces of the Philippines during a turn-over ceremony held at Camp Aguinaldo, Quezon City. Niño Jesus Orbeta  / Philippine Daily Inquirer
Title: Re: Retitled: China offers arms to the Philippines
Post by: adroth on October 06, 2017, 09:25:14 AM
PNP to use new rifles, ammo donated by China—DND chief | Inquirer.net (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/935752/pnp-to-use-new-rifles-ammo-donated-by-china-dnd-chief-china-firearms-ammunition-donation-lorenzana) - October 05, 2017
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The sniper scopes, meanwhile, will be used by the military.

The first batch of the weapons, amounting to around $7 million donated by China last June, were also given to the PNP. It aimed to highlight the renewed ties of the two countries under the Duterte administration.

(http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/wp-content/blogs.dir/10/files/2017/10/China-firearms-620x465.jpeg)
The Department of National Defense shows the firearms and other military equipment donated by the Ministry of National Defense of the People’s Republic of China to the Armed Forces of the Philippines during a turn-over ceremony held at Camp Aguinaldo, Quezon City. Niño Jesus Orbeta  / Philippine Daily Inquirer

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The new set of rifles and ammunition donated by the government of China to the Philippines will be used by the Philippine National Police (PNP), Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana said Thursday.

“According to the directive of the President they will be given to the PNP. If you remember the PNP tried to buy firearms from the US but it has taken them too long to deliver. We are lucky the Chinese government stepped in,” he told reporters at the handover ceremony at Camp Aguinaldo.
Chinese Ambassador Zhao Jinjuan led the turnover of 3,000 M4 rifles, three million rounds of ammunition, and 30 sniper scopes to Lorenzana and the Armed Forces of the Philippines.

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Title: Re: Retitled: China offers arms to the Philippines
Post by: Ayoshi on October 10, 2017, 01:59:08 AM
From: Army Recognition (https://www.armyrecognition.com/october_2017_global_defense_security_news_industry/china_donated_second_batch_of_military_equipment_to_the_philippines.html)
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The donation, which includes rifles, ammunition and sniper scopes, is the second batch of armaments that China handed over to the Philippine government this year. In accepting China's arms donation, Philippine defense and military authorities lauded China's contribution to maintaining peace and fighting terrorist groups in the Philippines. "The continued support of China to the Philippines signifies a new era in our countries' goodwill relations. This paves the path for a broader and stronger Sino-Philippine security cooperation in the future," Lorenzana said. (source: Xinhua)

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The Philippine defense department received on Thursday a second batch of military equipment that China donated to help the Philippines fight terrorism. (Xinhua/Rouelle Umali)