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General Discussion => AFP Modernization & Defense Acquisitions => : 40niner September 23, 2016, 10:49:27 PM

: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
: 40niner September 23, 2016, 10:49:27 PM
After more than a year of study, reviews and evaluations, the Dept of National Defense's Bids and Awards Committee finally released a 2-Stage bid process for two (light) frigates in early October 2013.
(http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m109/40niner_com/Warships/FFAP_zpsa5a154e7.jpg)

After several postponements on the initial opening of the 1st stage, it was finally conducted on 07 Dec 2013. Seven suppliers/shipyards submitted their bids.

Four were initially declared qualified for the 2nd stage :
        1. Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering Co. Ltd. - (DSME) of South Korea
        2. Hyundai Heavy Industries - (HHI) of South Korea
        3. STX Offshore & Shipbuilding Co. Ltd. of South Korea
        4. Navantia of Spain
Meanwhile, three others were disqualified due to flaw in their documents. They, however, filed for motions of reconsideration of the ruling. By April 2014, Garden Reach Shipbuilders & Engineers Ltd. (India) and STX France SA (France)'s motions for reconsideration were approved. This brings to six as the total number of approved 1st-stage bidders.  Ultimately, it was only ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems TKMS (Germany) that didn't qualify.

In August, 2014 -: DND ASec P Velez revealed (http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2014/08/10/1355874/dnd-spend-p15-b-two-ships-p2.5-b-ammunition) that due to some possible export restrictions by the gov't of the munition suppliers, it was tentatively decided that the monolithic project will now be split into two portions : about P15.5B (1USD:PHP44.5 = $348M) for the actual ships with some operational fit and P2.5B for ammunition of these ships.

In Nov 2015 -: Dept of Natl Defense (DND) was finally given authority by Pres Aquino (http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/546094/news/nation/aquino-authorizes-p44-b-multiyear-defense-contract) to enter into Multi-Year Contracts (MYC), paving way for the FF-AP to move further.  This only actually came after Pres Aquino approved the remainder (http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2015/09/14/1499552/noy-approves-afp-modernization-shopping-list) of the AFP Mod Project Horizon-1 List (2013-17).

By Feb 2016 -: The 2nd Stage of the bid process finally commenced. Updated Technical Specs was released.  The FF-AP was indeed split into Platform Lot and Munitions Lot.  The main FF-AP was transformed into the Platform Lot, which notably deleted the supply of missiles and ammunition from the bid; although weapons launchers remained part of the platform.  Approved budget was set at P16M, which is slightly higher by P 0.5B over the Aug-2014 pronouncement.  Bids were finally opened on March 17, 2016. 

Out of the six qualified bidders, only four submitted their bids.  Daewoo (DSME) and Navantia's bids were declared 'unresponsive'.  GRSE was declared as the Lowest Calculated Bid (LCB), while Hyundai (HHI) was the 2nd LCB.  However, in a Post-Qualification verification conducted later, GRSE's bid was disqualified (http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2016/06/30/1598080/dnd-disqualifies-lowest-bidder-p16-b-navy-frigate-project) due to financial issues (NFCC).

Hyundai, which had submitted the second lowest bid, passed the post-qualification -- and on 18-Aug, the new DND Sec Delfin Lorenzana approved the Notice of Award for HHI to deliver the two frigates based on the timeline on the bid. Contract was set to be signed in late September.

Image of the Notice-of-Award (NOA) from PhilGEPS :
(http://imagizer.imageshack.com/img921/355/mHtHUq.jpg)

: Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
: 40niner September 23, 2016, 10:52:17 PM
Hyundai wins USD337 million frigate contract from Philippine Navy (http://www.janes.com/article/63401/hyundai-wins-usd337-million-frigate-contract-from-philippine-navy)
Ridzwan Rahmat, Singapore - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
02 September 2016
South Korean shipbuilder Hyundai Heavy Industries (HHI) has formally received a notice of award from the Philippine government to build two new frigates for the Philippine Navy (PN).

The notice, which indicates a contract price of PHP15,744,571,584 (USD337 million), was signed by Secretary of National Defense Delfin Lorenzana and addressed to the senior general manager for HHI's special and naval shipbuilding division, Ki Yeong Sung.

The Philippine Department of National Defense (DND) first launched the two-ship frigate acquisition programme in October 2013 to meet the PN's long-range maritime surveillance, patrol, and interdiction capabilities.

 ...

The PN's weapons wishlist for the warships is currently unknown but an updated list of requirements for the frigate acquisition programme released by the DND in early 2016 calls for no degradation of anti-air and anti-surface capabilities at Sea State 5, and no degradation of anti-submarine warfare capability at Sea State 4.
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: LionFlyer September 25, 2016, 04:18:09 PM
ADAS2016, will we see a contract signing?
: Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
: dr demented September 26, 2016, 10:47:31 PM
http://www.pna.gov.ph/index.php?idn=&nid=1&rid=926455

DND finalizing contract for Navy's 2 missile-firing frigates

MANILA, Sept. 27 (PNA) -- The contract for the Philippine Navy's two missile-armed frigates is now being finalized, Department of National Defense (DND) public affairs office chief Arsenio Andolong said Monday.

Once the contract is finalized, it will be signed by DND Secretary Delfin Lorenzana and the duly authorized representative of the winning proponent, Hyundai Heavy Industries (HHI), he added.

"Notice of Award (NOA) was formally served to HHI last Aug. 4. Once the formal contract is signed, it will be followed by a Notice to Proceed, which will be formally served to the proponent," Andolong said.

"NOA was given to HHI as GRSE (Garden Reach Shipbuilders and Engineers Ltd) was post-disqualified after it was determined that their Net Financial Capacity was insufficient and therefore not in compliance with Republic Act 9184 (Government Procurement Policy Board)," he added.

GRSE along with HHI was one of the six proponents in the DND's frigate program.

In the NOA, HHI offered PHP15,744,571,884 for the two frigates.

The DND has allocated the sum of PHP18 billion for the acquisition of two missile-capable frigates, with PHP16 billion going to the construction of the ships and PHP2 billion for its munitions.

The ships will be armed with a variety of sensors and weapons capable of detecting and neutralizing air, surface, and submarine threats.

It will be also capable of electronic warfare.

Aside from this, the frigates, according to their technical specifications, must be capable of performing extended maritime patrol with an embarked naval helicopter and maritime surveillance through air-and-surface-search radar, sound navigation and ranging (sonar) for sub-surface search.

It will be armed and fitted a variety of air-to-air, anti-ship, and anti-submarine weapons. (PNA)
BNB/PFN
: Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
: LionFlyer October 23, 2016, 09:13:01 PM
http://m.yna.co.kr/kr/contents/?cid=AKR20161024048000003&mobile

Self explanatory.

(http://img.yonhapnews.co.kr/etc/inner/KR/2016/10/24/AKR20161024048000003_01_i.jpg)
: Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
: dr demented October 23, 2016, 10:48:17 PM
Announcement from Hyundai Heavy Industries:

http://english.hhi.co.kr/news/view?idx=600&currentPage=1


Hyundai Heavy Industries Wins an Order to Build Two 2,600 ton Frigates for the Philippine Navy


Hyundai Heavy Industries (HHI), the world’s largest shipbuilder, announced today that it signed a contract to build two 2,600 ton frigates with the Department of National Defense, Republic of the Philippines.

The signing ceremony held in Manila, Philippines, was attended by Mr. Chung Ki-sun, executive vice president of Corporate Planning Office of HHI, Mr. Delfin Lorenzana, Philippines’ Defense Secretary and Mr. Kim Jai- shin, Korean Ambassador to Philippines and other guests.

The frigates will be designed to be a smaller light combatant and successor to the Incheon class frigate which is now in active service for ROKN tailored to the requirement of the Philippine Navy with applying optimized range of good marine standard under naval rule from Lloyd Register, classification society.

The 107 meter frigates to be propelled with CODAD (Combined Diesel and Diesel) propulsion system with maximum speed of 25knots can cover a 4,500 nautical miles range at cruising speed of 15 knots. The naval vessels will inherit the enhanced survivability, seakeeping and maneuvering capability of her mother ship operable up to Sea State 5.

The frigates heavily armed with missiles, torpedo, guns and sensors controlled by the latest combat management system are capable of conducting Anti-Air Warfare, Anti-Surface Warfare, Anti-Submarine Warfare and Electronic Warfare. The frigates are scheduled to be handed starting from 2020.

Since the delivery of the first Korean-built frigate ROKS Ulsan in 1980, HHI has played a pivotal role in the modernization of ROK Navy designing major warships. And evidently it now expands its service to worldwide navies with advanced, affordable warships.

: Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
: LionFlyer October 24, 2016, 07:27:31 AM
Rather disappointing on the 30mm DS30M / Seahawk mounting on hangar. That system is a remote weapon system much like the  BAE Mk.38 Mod.2 25mm. It's not a CIWS and can't be used to shoot down missiles. It's primarily purpose is for inner defense against small crafts. But by putting it on the roof top means it would be unable to depress the gun much (one of the reasons why a pair is usually installed on each sides).

Well, it's still early days. Maybe they will change their minds.
: Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
: dr demented October 24, 2016, 10:07:21 AM
From Jane's Defense:

http://www.janes.com/article/64864/hyundai-discloses-further-details-of-philippine-navy-s-new-frigates

Hyundai discloses further details of Philippine Navy's new frigates
Ridzwan Rahmat, Singapore - IHS Jane's Navy International
24 October 2016

Key Points

Hyundai Heavy Industries has revealed further details of the two frigates that it will build for the Philippine Navy
The platform is slightly smaller than anticipated, but said to inherit main design features of South Korea's Incheon class

South Korean shipbuilder Hyundai Heavy Industries (HHI) has given further details of the two frigates that it will be constructing for the Philippine Navy (PN).

The details were given in a media release on 24 October announcing that the contract to build the ships has been formally signed with Philippine defence secretary Delfin Lorenzana. HHI received a notice of the PHP15,744,571,584 (USD311 million) award earlier in 2016.

The company was previously reported to have won the contract with a design based on the company's HDF-3000 multipurpose frigate design, which features an overall length of 114.3 m, and has been used as the basis for the Republic of Korea Navy's (RoKN's) Incheon (FFX-I)-class guided-missile frigates.

HHI has since disclosed in its media release that the platform will instead feature overall length of 107 m, a standard displacement of about 2,600 tonnes, and an operational survivability up to Sea State 5. The frigate has however been described by HHI as one that inherits main design features of the Incheon class, albeit with a lighter displacement.

The ship will feature a combined diesel and diesel (CODAD) propulsion system, and feature a maximum speed of 25 kt, with a standard range of 4,500 n miles at 15 kt.

HHI did not disclose in writing specific details of the platform's weapon systems, saying only that the frigates will be "heavily armed with missiles, torpedo, guns and sensors", and that they will be capable of anti-air, anti-surface, anti-submarine and electronic warfare.

However a computer generated image of the platform accompanying the media release shows an eight-cell vertical launching system (VLS) installed at the forward section, just behind the platform's primary weapon that will most likely be a 76 mm naval gun.
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: LionFlyer October 24, 2016, 04:20:50 PM
The missing part from Janes's article. I will remove if required as this is for paid subscribers, which I have access.

Also pictured amid-ship are four (two twin) anti-surface missile launchers mounted diagonally, and two triple torpedo tubes, each located on the port and starboard sides.

A remote-controlled weapon system (RWCS) turret is depicted at the platform's stern section, facing its flight deck, while a couple of what appears to be the MBDA-SIMBAD anti-air defence system turrets are located above the ship's bridge, one each to the left and right of its fire-control radar pedestal. This sensor will likely be the STIR or STING series of electro-optic fire-control directors from Thales.

Another sensor that may have been depicted in the image is either the NS100 or NS200 electronically scanned array (AESA) from the same company.

The ship can accommodate one helicopter on its flight deck, and two rigid hull inflatable boats mounted on davits found on the port and starboard sides.

The frigates are scheduled to be handed over to the PN from 2020, said HHI.
: Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
: 40niner October 24, 2016, 05:22:39 PM
^ All of those items are already shared on public blogs, so I don't think that new information has been added.

BTW, @Lionflyer -- which variant of the NS100 is currently installed with RSN's LMV?

For the secondary gun placement, the MSI's location may just be a placeholder for a future CIWS.  Lots of speculations in this aspect.  What seemed to be obvious, though, is the shift in caliber from the existing 25mm to 30mm.  Also -- only a single unit was required in the bid (budget-constraint).
: Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
: r3mu511 October 24, 2016, 08:26:11 PM
@chief, over in pdff @raider had found this article a couple of years ago: http://www.maritiemnederland.com/nieuws/singapore-launching-customer-voor-nieuwe-thales-radar/item1196

Thales Netherlands is an amount of more than 52 million radar systems provide the Navy of Singapore. According to a letter to the Ministers Frans Timmermans (Foreign Affairs) and Lilianne Ploumen (Foreign Trade and Development) this summer sent to parliament.

It is according to the letter to eight radar systems as NS-106, which can detect and track both air and sea targets. The NS-100 family 'radar systems is provided with new technology that makes it possible to let the sensor quickly "reconfiguration", by letting switch function. Singapore is the launching customer for the radar.

according to the article singapore will use the ns106 variant...
: Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
: adroth October 24, 2016, 08:54:57 PM
From: https://twitter.com/del_lorenzana

(http://defenseph.net/bootcamp/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/signing.jpg)
: Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
: Ayoshi October 27, 2016, 02:24:32 AM
Philippines positions new frigates as primary ASW platforms | IHS Jane's 360 (http://www.janes.com/article/64930/philippines-positions-new-frigates-as-primary-asw-platforms) - 26 October 2016
Amid a proliferation of submarines in the Asia-Pacific region, the Philippines appears to have positioned the two frigates on order from South Korea as the country's primary anti-submarine warfare (ASW) platforms, new details released about the ships suggest.

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The Philippine government has selected the AW159 to fulfil its ASW helicopter requirement, IHS Jane's reported in March 2016. The Philippine Navy (PN) is not known to have any other substantial submarine prosecution capabilities before this acquisition.

Other weapon systems depicted in the image include an eight-cell vertical launching system installed at the forward section, just behind its primary weapon, which will most likely be a 76 mm naval gun, and four (two twin) anti-surface missile launchers mounted athwartships.

It also seems that the frigates will be equipped with a pair of MBDA-SIMBAD anti-air defence system turrets above the bridge, one each to the left and right of its fire-control radar pedestal.
: Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
: adroth October 30, 2016, 05:36:28 PM
National Defense Chief Signs Contract for two Brand New Frigates for the Navy

https://www.facebook.com/philippinenavy/posts/10154153128352956

The Secretary of National Defense, Hon. Delfin Lorenzana, graced on Oct. 24, 2016 the ceremonial contract signing of the Frigate Acquisition Project, as the principal signatory of the contract together with officials/delegates from Hyundai Heavy Industries (HHI) (Korea).

The project involves the construction and delivery of two unit of Frigate to the Philippine Navy. The signing of the contract signals the start of the construction and is the culmination of the long and tedious procurement process for the project.

As a background, the Notice of Award was approved, issued and was duly conformed by HHI on Sept. 13, 2016 with the amount of Three Hundred Thirty Six Million Nine Hundred Twelve Thousand US Dollars(USD 336,912,000.00) or Fifteen Billion Seven Hundred Forty Four Million Five Hundred Seventy One and Five Hundred Eighty Four Pesos (Php 15,744,571,584.00).

Witnessing the event were Ambassador of South Korea to the Philippines Jae Shin Kim; Assistant Secretary for Acquisition, Installation and Logistics Jesus Rey Avilla; Undersecretary for Financial Management Josue Gaverza Jr; Deputy Chief of Staff for Logistics Maj. Gen. Job Yucoco and his assistant, Brig Gen. Arnulfo G Rafanan; Senior Military Assistant Brig Gen. Arnel Duco; and Philippine Navy Vice Commander Rear Adm. Rafael Mariano. On the other hand, distinguished members of HHI delegation included the Senior Vice President/Owner HHI, Ki Sun Chung; Senior Sales Officers Ki Young Sung and Jae Rak Kim; Technical Sales Officer, Unchul Kim; Project Consultant, Myeongok Han; and Local Representative, Yolanda Lim Gamba.

Also present in the signing were the Chief of Naval Staff, Read Adm. Gaudencio C Collado; Commander of Philippine Fleet, Rear Adm. Bayani Gaerlan; Commander of Western Command, Vice Adm. Ronald Joseph Mercado; Philippine Fleet Commander, Rear Adm. Bayani Gaerlan; Naval Sea Systems Commander Virme Torralba; and Project Management Team Chairman, Commo. Robert Empedrad and members.


The activity is of utter significance to the Department of National Defense and to the Philippine Navy, in particular. It is the single most expensive project yet that will be signed by the current administration. The project, likewise, is the biggest project yet for the PN. Most importantly, this marks the entry of the PN into its quest to be a strong and credible navy by year 2020.

The acquisition of the two brand new and modern Frigates serves as a “Big Step” in realizing a once a dream of a world class and well equipped Philippine Navy, capable and credible in protecting its people, and the sovereignty of the land and the interest of its national territory.
: Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
: 40niner November 19, 2016, 03:16:49 AM
On a related note -- without overly knowing yet the details and technicalities of both builds -- Does it appear on paper -- that PN's FF-AP (~$168M/unit) is relatively a good deal compared with (Indonesia) TNI-AL's PKR10514's contract price of $220M/unit (http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2014/04/17/indonesian-navy-set-have-domestically-built-frigate-2016.html)? 
According to Jane's article released two days ago...  (http://www.janes.com/article/65579/negotiations-under-way-on-additional-equipment-package-for-indonesia-s-pkr-frigate) :
* Damen has been contracted by Indonesia to procure a range of 'fitted for but not with' systems
* Specific equipments include MBDA's VL Mica point defence missile system and its MM 40 Block 3 Exocet anti-ship missile system, and the Rheinmetall Millennium 35 mm cannon
...
While the PKR vessels are being delivered with a core mission system supplied by Thales Nederland - including the TACTICOS combat management system, SMART-S Mk 2 surveillance radar, STIR 1.2 EO Mk 2 radar/electro-optical tracking system, and Kingklip hull-mounted sonar - the only weapon system included in the original contract was a single Leonardo (Oto Melara) 76/62 Super Rapid gun. However, space, weight, and service provisions were included in the SIGMA 10514 design to enable the retrofit of additional 'fitted for but not with' (FFBNW) weapon systems, including a point-defence missile system, a surface-to-surface missile system, and a close-in weapon system.
One thing -- ToT and modular construction is one of the premium that TNI-AL is willing to pay (on behalf of PT-PAL).
: Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
: horge November 21, 2016, 01:57:03 PM
On a related note -- without overly knowing yet the details and technicalities of both builds -- Does it appear on paper -- that PN's FF-AP (~$168M/unit) is relatively a good deal compared with (Indonesia) TNI-AL's PKR10514's contract price of $220M/unit (http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2014/04/17/indonesian-navy-set-have-domestically-built-frigate-2016.html)?

Setting aside the bang and focusing on the buck:
Indonesia went with a particular sort of multi-year export-credit financing.
Easier terms usually means a larger principal.

One thing -- ToT and modular construction is one of the premium that TNI-AL is willing to pay (on behalf of PT-PAL).

I'll note that ToT didn't quite go as far as the MOU seemed to originally outline.
Some of the SIGMA modules were built at Vlissingen, not Persero.
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: LionFlyer November 24, 2016, 06:00:44 AM
http://www.janes.com/article/65735/shrink-wrapped-new-generation-tacticos-packaged-up-for-indonesia-s-pkr-frigate

This would be relevant. I won't post the whole article here because of copyright issues but extract a few key sections.

Suffice to say, ToT is a non-trivial task. The receiving party needs to be of sufficient maturity and capability before considering this option.

As a part of the PKR contract, Thales Nederland has forged an industrial co-operation with Indonesian electronics and IT company PT Len Industri (Persero), which includes a significant transfer of technology. Thales naval marketing and sales director in Indonesia Hennie Everlo explained, "Next to the extensive technology transfer we have subcontracted PT Len for three specific software modules in TACTICOS. That means the company is now developing their skills on the basis of our CMS technology."


"This was the first time we have undertaken a project with DSNS for a full modular build," explained Edie Heuvelink, Thales Nederland's PKR programme manager. "Ship module 5 [built by DSNS in Vlissingen] was the most interesting for us because it included the CIC below decks and the SMART-S Mk 2 and STIR 1.2 EO Mk 2 radars above decks.

"Our TACTICOS system was integrated in the CIC, the radars installed onboard the mast structures, and we performed approximately 80% of integration in the Netherlands over a six-month period from the start of 2015. The whole module was then shipped to Indonesia for consolidation with the remaining ship modules at PT PAL.

"We did the remaining 20% integration in Indonesia. This included all the other equipment - such as the 76/62 Super Rapid gun and hull-mounted sonar - that was not fitted in module 5, various alignments and calibrations on the ship, followed by harbour and sea acceptance tests.".
: Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
: dr demented December 02, 2016, 09:37:29 PM
http://www.pna.gov.ph/index.php?idn=&nid=1&rid=945396

Letter of credit for 2 missile-firing frigates being finalized - Navy chief

MANILA, Dec. 3 (PNA) -- The letter of credit (LOC) for the country's first two missile-firing frigates, whose contract was won by Hyundai Heavy Industries (HHI), is now being finalized, Philippine Navy (PN) flag-officer-in-command, Vice Adm. Roland Joseph Mercado has said.

"As far as I know, they are now finalizing the terms in the LOC, for the frigate project. That's the only update I could give for now," he said in an interview with the Philippine News Agency (PNA).

An LOC is a letter from a bank guaranteeing that a buyer's payment to a seller will be received on time and for the correct amount. In case the buyer is unable to make payment for the purchase, the bank will be required to cover the full or remaining amount of the purchase.

Mercado is the same officer who headed the technical working group that came up with the specifications of the country's first-ever missile-capable frigates.

On Oct. 24, National Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana formally inked the contract for the Frigate Acquisition Program, together with officials and delegates from South Korea's HHI. The signing ceremony took place at the PN's headquarters in Naval Station Andrada, Roxas Blvd., Manila.

The project involves the construction and delivery of two missile-firing frigates to the PN.

The signing of the contract signals the start of the construction and is the culmination of the long and tedious procurement process for the project.

As background, the Notice of Award was approved, issued and was duly conformed by HHI on Sept. 13 with the amount of USD336,912,000 or PHP15,744,571,584.

The project is worth PHP16 billion with another PHP2 billion allocated for the acquisition of assorted weapon systems and munitions. (PNA)
CVL/PFN

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: Ayoshi August 31, 2017, 01:12:31 AM
Shared in FB honeypot..
Servowatch to supply IPMS capability for two HHI-built Frigates for Philippines Navy | Navy Recognition (https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2017/august-2017-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/5532-servowatch-to-supply-ipms-capability-for-two-hhi-built-frigates-for-philippines-navy.html) - 30 August 2017
Servowatch, a leading supplier of advanced integrated ship control systems, is very proud to announce they have again been selected by Hyundaito supply theirIntegrated Platform Management System (IPMS). This down select will see Servowatch partnering with Hyundai Electric to provide its IPMS for installation into the Philippine Navy’s Future Frigate programme to be built in Hyundai’s Ulsan facility; the largest shipyard in the world.

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Servowatch Systems’ scope of supply comprises an IPMS control and monitoring package for the vessels’ propulsion plant, electric power plant, auxiliary/ancillary system. Battle Damage Control System (BDCS) and On-board Training System (OBTS) are also to be included in scope of IPMS.

< snipped >

The UK-headquartered company has invested heavily in the design and development of the next generation IPMS systems. Designed to commercial or military standards, principally for naval or larger complex commercial vessels, Servowatch offers a range of bespoke solutions to provide propulsion, electrical and auxiliary plant management from multifunction workstations with automation programmed into the system.
: Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
: mamiyapis September 01, 2017, 08:06:39 AM
Scuttlebutt says the Thales CMS has been ditched, along with other PN requirements for the frigates. The PN is now stark-raving mad, while the Koreans and DND have both agreed to the downgrades, notable of which is the Tacticos removed for the LigNex1 CMS, and the downgrade of the NS-106 to a less capable NS-100.

There is also very real possibility of other Thales products being replaced with Korean kimchi.


Retreacted for now. New info says the PN just came from talks with HHI in Korea. Guess they are with the program.
: Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
: LionFlyer September 01, 2017, 05:30:42 PM
The Royal Malaysian Navy did not want to have the SENIT CMS on their LCS (having the TACITCOS, COSYS110-M1, Nautis-F, IPN already in service). But Boustead went ahead with it anyway.  8)
: Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
: adroth September 01, 2017, 08:08:42 PM
Scuttlebutt says the Thales CMS has been ditched, along with other PN requirements for the frigates. The PN is now stark-raving mad, while the Koreans and DND have both agreed to the downgrades, notable of which is the Tacticos removed for the LigNex1 CMS, and the downgrade of the NS-106 to a less capable NS-100.

There is also very real possibility of other Thales products being replaced with Korean kimchi.

Take care with that scuttlebutt.
: Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
: girder September 02, 2017, 09:19:49 AM
Discussion on equipment for 2 PH Navy missile frigates underway (http://news.mb.com.ph/2017/09/02/discussion-on-equipment-for-2-ph-navy-missile-frigates-underway/)

Discussions are ongoing to determine what equipment and major systems are to be installed in two of the country’s first-ever missile-capable frigates, Philippine Navy (PN) flag-officer-in-command Vice Admiral Ronald Joseph Mercado said.

“The frigate project is now on the planning stage. Discussions are ongoing to agree on equipment and major systems to be installed. After this, construction will start,” Mercado said in a text message to the Philippine News Agency (PNA) Friday when asked for updates on the Armed Forces’ modernization program.

Asked if this stage includes selection of weapons, propulsion and sensor systems for the two frigates, Mercado replied, “This stage involves everything about the ship.”

The Navy chief, however, did not give specifics on when the discussions would conclude.

Mercado headed the technical working group that came up with the specifications of the country’s first-ever missile-capable frigates.

Meanwhile, Department of National Defense (DND) spokesperson Arsenio Andolong said the implementation of the country’s frigate acquisition project has already begun and is proceeding as scheduled.

“Construction will commence in accordance with the timetable,” he added.
: Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
: 40niner September 02, 2017, 05:50:50 PM
Scuttlebutt says the Thales CMS has been ditched, along with other PN requirements for the frigates. The PN is now stark-raving mad, while the Koreans and DND have both agreed to the downgrades, notable of which is the Tacticos removed for the LigNex1 CMS, and the downgrade of the NS-106 to a less capable NS-100.

There is also very real possibility of other Thales products being replaced with Korean kimchi.

As much as PN tries 'to protest' -- HHI is already backed with the signed contract (with DND*) to deliver the minimum specifications on the written document.  There are some rumored twists to this, but those are only in murmurs and low voices not above breathing noise.  HHI is under the nose of it's financial backers to churn out profit wherever it can.  This is all business transaction to them, shrewd or otherwise.

One basic problem in retrospect -- is of not being allowed by the procurement law to specifically use actual brands or brand-baselines on bid specifications.  We have had discussion that DSOM had already took care of this before the PNoy, but reversion took place -- and thus this is the one sum of that undoing. 
: Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
: Mr. Pitz September 02, 2017, 06:07:31 PM
Scuttlebutt says the Thales CMS has been ditched, along with other PN requirements for the frigates. The PN is now stark-raving mad, while the Koreans and DND have both agreed to the downgrades, notable of which is the Tacticos removed for the LigNex1 CMS, and the downgrade of the NS-106 to a less capable NS-100.

There is also very real possibility of other Thales products being replaced with Korean kimchi.


Retreacted for now. New info says the PN just came from talks with HHI in Korea. Guess they are with the program.

If so, will the chance of having subsystems as PN wanted  get materialized?

In respect also with the depreciable peso, is there any consideration that the contract price getting increased?
: Re: DND/PHL Navy's Frigate Acquisition Program - awarded
: Red Justice September 05, 2017, 08:43:02 AM
Scuttlebutt says the Thales CMS has been ditched, along with other PN requirements for the frigates. The PN is now stark-raving mad, while the Koreans and DND have both agreed to the downgrades, notable of which is the Tacticos removed for the LigNex1 CMS, and the downgrade of the NS-106 to a less capable NS-100.

There is also very real possibility of other Thales products being replaced with Korean kimchi.

Take care with that scuttlebutt.

I agree be careful with the scuttlebutt, rumors and unsupported information.

Why will be the PN raving mad? As I explained on Facebook the project will start with the PN TWG to which it will specify the specs. Now in cases where the specs set will be generic, the supplier will suggest what are the options to make the specs to be more specific to the need of the buyer.

Its just like this, you want a bicycle but you did not specify what do you want in the bicycle so the vendor will tell you here is your options. From there once you say this is what you want you know agree to purchase.

Take note if there will be some changes it will not be HHI talking or agree with DND. HHI will talk to PN since the buyer of the ships is PN not DND. Once the purchase contract is signed off between HHI and PN wala ng galawan. Pag may manipulation na mangyari plain and simple breach of contract yun.

Now kung natapos na yung barko bago i-release yan sa PN there will be testing and there will be a record of compliance and to state as indicated on the contract the ships meet the spec required by the customer (which is PN, not DND).

Ano ba ang trabaho ng DND sa program na ito? They are to approve program and allocate budget (only when they are satisfied with the CAPEX justification provided by PN) na kung above sa approval nila aabot sa Presidente. Take note why will the DND spend tax payers money to shove it to PN's throat and say "ayan gamitin niyo." 


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From my fb reply - I have been dealing with HHI since 2014, our company provides them with valves for the Marine Industry, we have dealt with MTU and Wartsilla which are also in the Marine industry. Anyone of you familiar with PPAP? Before a new product can be launch this is the required documents. PPAP stands for Production Parts Approval Process. The project team are composed of members from both sides PN & HHI, there are elements that needs to be satisfied in order for the project to proceed, one of the element is Team Feasibility & Commitment. Mind you no one will sign this document if none is in agreement, for this document signify that its a mutual understanding. Specs will always come from the buyer which is PN and HHI will meet the buyer specs. Now in the event the supplier cannot meet customer spec most often some customers are unsure that its what they want (it happened to us before when dealing with Cummins on their engines they seem to change spec on the go) there will be counter proposal coming from vendor and will be subject for review by customer and again will undergo a process called DVP&R (Design Verification Process & Reports) now if this revise specs still meets customer requirement to a certain point (be reminded Design process is not as easy as writing a sentence) program can still proceed with TFC. It does not end there for there will be a series of testing to be done, does it meet capability required, does it pass testing, each major component will be reviewed thru PFMEA to review the risk and how to mitigate those risk plus there will be Control Plan in place. Years back the Navy underwent ISO9001 certification this is to keep up with current trends and with the automotive industry standard TS16949 being adopted by almost every industry including Marine, the biggest risk to be mitigated here is the lost of life. Which is why am not throwing any kibosh items here. Even pressure from the powers to be is very unlikely to sway a project leader.

I have generated PPAP to multiple Marine Industry companies. I sign on these TFCs, submit reports to them to make sure it conforms to spec (ie blue prints/drawings or test requirements).

Please consider what I shared to you as my work experience, I work with customer design engineers, supplier engineers and mind you I cannot do any shortcuts with them, heck I even work with my supplier engineers and they too cannot just give me bad parts without me or my co-workers detecting it.

So we might as well give these people the opportunity to work on this FF project. Btw its seldom for the President of the company (in this case FOIC) to head a TWG. Its delegated to a Project Director. Keep that in mind before making conclusions

To add further -
The intermediate document that you are pertaining to is to say that the project has been reviewed and endorsed to higher authorities for approval. Process could be TWG has concluded that the project is acceptable based on capability and specifications, it will be submitted to FOIC for review and final deliberation (if needed), FOIC will then generate a CAPEX request for the $$$ is way above his approving powers. FOIC signs off on CAPEX request to be endorsed to the SND for approval, if the $$$ limit is above then it will go to the President himself to sign the CAPEX. This practice is pretty much standard as part of SOCS. FOIC's signature is key to say yes I want this, buy me this.