Defense of the Republic of the Philippines

General Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: LionFlyer on May 06, 2017, 09:47:25 AM

Title: Used JMSDF P3C MPA
Post by: LionFlyer on May 06, 2017, 09:47:25 AM

This proposed bill amendment would also benefit the Philippines. Given that the LRPA programme seems to be stuck in a rut, this would be a faster track. Malaysia seems to be fast off the block.

http://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Economy/International-Relations/Japan-seeks-to-give-patrol-planes-to-Malaysia

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May 5, 2017 2:15 am JST
Japan seeks to give patrol planes to Malaysia
Retired Self-Defense Force aircraft would watch over South China Sea

TOKYO -- Japan is looking to donate retired military patrol aircraft to Malaysia, letting that Southeast Asian country keep closer watch over the South China Sea to rein in China's maritime expansion.

Parliament is currently weighing revisions to the foundational law of the Ministry of Defense that would allow equipment to be given to other nations at no cost. Currently, some form of compensation is legally required for any national asset. Malaysia will likely be the first beneficiary once that change is made, receiving P-3C patrol aircraft previously used by the Maritime Self-Defense Force.

P-3Cs, developed by Lockheed Martin of the U.S., are equipped with radar and other capabilities letting them detect and monitor suspicious ships and submarines. Kawasaki Heavy Industries manufactured the aircraft under a license agreement for a time, though that production has since ended. The Maritime Self-Defense Force has 60 or so of the aircraft in operation, and plans to retire those that have logged around 15,000 hours in flight.

Malaysia approached Japan about adding P-3Cs to its fleet, according to an official at the Defense Ministry's Acquisition, Technology and Logistics Agency. Japan will hand the retired aircraft over after making renovations. The plan is to remove technologies such as high-performance radar used to detect submarines, which could qualify as defense secrets.

Tokyo aims to reach an agreement with Kuala Lumpur on the transfer of defense equipment and technology in short order to clear the way for a hand-off. The deal must accord with Japan's key principles regarding such transfers, which aim to ensure transparency, security and compliance with international law.

Japan will also conduct a review of the plan to ensure that neither defense equipment nor the technology involved will fall into China's hands, and plans to obtain permission for the transfer under the U.S. International Traffic in Arms Regulations, due to the P-3Cs' American origins.

Japan is deepening defense cooperation with various members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations grappling with China's expansion in the South China Sea. Tokyo has concluded an equipment transfer agreement with the Philippines, and is negotiating a similar pact with Indonesia. Nations such as Myanmar and Cambodia receive military rescue assistance in times of emergency and help building infrastructure, among other aid designed to boost defense capacity.

(Nikkei)
Title: Re: Used JMSDF P3C MPA
Post by: Magoo on May 06, 2017, 08:00:44 PM
This news makes me real envious.. we get King Airs while Malaysia gets P-3's.. granted that we do not really how to operate the equipment in the P-3's but most probably neither does Malaysia. A quick search shows that the RMAF does not have P-3's in their inventory. Makes one wonder what happened to our own request for P-3's and why it got watered down to King Airs.
Title: Re: Used JMSDF P3C MPA
Post by: adroth on May 06, 2017, 10:48:56 PM
This news makes me real envious.. we get King Airs while Malaysia gets P-3's.. granted that we do not really how to operate the equipment in the P-3's but most probably neither does Malaysia. A quick search shows that the RMAF does not have P-3's in their inventory.

They may not have P-3s, but they have a vibrant MRO industry, with proven capability to rehabilitate C-130-size aircraft (the PAF even used to send their Hercs to Malaysia for repair) and are even creating depot maintenance capability for SU-27 aircraft. The economic benefits of the latter will be huge, given the prevalence of the type . . . and Russia's atrocious record for after-sales support.

They may not operate P-3s now . . . but it would be a safe bet that they are preparing the maintenance organization that will take care of those Japanese P-3s.

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Makes one wonder what happened to our own request for P-3's and why it got watered down to King Airs.

Good question
Title: Re: Used JMSDF P3C MPA
Post by: girder on May 10, 2017, 10:22:00 AM
See, this is why it's important to verify reports coming from social media.

No Offer Of P-3C Orion By Japan - RMAF Chief (http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v8/ge/newsgeneral.php?id=1354617)

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SUBANG The Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) refuted reports that the Japanese Government will hand over a maritime patrol aircraft P-3C Orion to Malaysia for free.

RMAF chief General Datuk Seri Affendi Buang said reports on local and foreign media portals on the matter which went viral were not true.

It could be a rumour...we did not receive any offer or decision officially so far, he told a media conference after an RMAF Innovation Award Presentation ceremony here today.

Affendi made the statement when asked to comment on the information which went viral on social websites that the Japanese government was reported to be seeking ways to give Malaysia the P-3C Orion maritime patrol plane for free.

Several foreign portals including those in Japan have been reporting on the matter in the past one week when the authenticity of the news is not known.
Title: Re: Used JMSDF P3C MPA
Post by: LionFlyer on May 12, 2017, 08:52:05 PM
See, this is why it's important to verify reports coming from social media.

Not really, you should read it again. The original report is from a reputed source, Nikkei.

It's complicated right now. The RMAF chief denied all the reports of transfers, even though officially announced by the Defense Minister (deal for sell their MiG29s from India in exchange for SU30 spares) and even the Prime Minister (Saudi deal). There's politicking going on between the service, the Finance Ministry and the government.