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Title: Philippine Navy submarine studies
Post by: adroth on January 26, 2017, 12:36:49 PM
The loss of the old forum meant the loss of over a decade of discussions about how the Philippine Navy has been looking at submarine at least as far back as the Estrada administration. Back then, during the time of SND Orlando Mercado, they issued a press release where looking into acquiring submarines in 10 years.

Ten years later, circa 2010 during the Arroyo administration, the AFP issued a press release that they were looking into getting submarines in 10 years. Note that this was . . . 10 years after the previous announcement.

The interest has always been there.

This thread chronicles the process the Philippine Navy is taking towards the creation of its own "Silent Service".

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Title: Re: Philippine Navy submarine studies
Post by: adroth on January 26, 2017, 12:37:01 PM
The Estrada Administration

Most references to this effort came by way of Vice Admiral Luisito Fernandez

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From: http://www.newsflash.org/1999/12/hl/hl011776.htm

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RP NAVY GETS FIRST SUBMARINE IN 2010

Manila, Dec. 20, 1999- The Armed Forces of the Philippines’ modernization program is in full swing, as evidenced by the bold announcement that the Philippine Navy will acquire its first submarine by the Year 2010.

    Vice Admiral Luisito Fernandez said the navy has created a "core group" to prepare and study the submarine acquisition within the next 10 years. The navy needs a submarine to effectively guard the country’s 320-kilometer exclusive economic zone (EEZ) as defined under the UN Convention on the Law of the Seas (UNCLOS), Fernandez said.

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From: http://thediplomat.com/2014/12/the-philippine-navys-submarine-quest/

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In fact, back in December 1999, then PN Vice Admiral Luisito Fernandez revealed that the navy created a “core group” to evaluate submarine acquisition by 2010. This announcement came about a year after the Second Mischief Reef Incident with China. But the AFP was then preoccupied with counter-insurgency operations in the Mindanao region. As a result, the land forces received the lion’s share of limited defense funding. Not only was submarine acquisition by 2010 impossible, the bulk of the antiquated Philippine Fleet continued its downward slide into disrepair without major revitalization efforts.

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Title: Re: Philippine Navy submarine studies
Post by: adroth on January 26, 2017, 12:37:14 PM
The Arroyo administration

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Title: Re: Philippine Navy submarine studies
Post by: adroth on January 26, 2017, 12:41:04 PM
The Aquino Administration

Submarine for Navy? Noy bares AFP shop list
Alexis Romero - () - August 24, 2011 - 12:00am

MANILA, Philippines - President Aquino yesterday enumerated a list of military equipment to be acquired in fulfillment of his promise of modernizing the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) during his term.

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Aquino said the Navy is still studying whether it needs to purchase a submarine to secure the country’s territory.

“The (acquisition of a) submarine is being studied by our Navy, whether or not practical, whether or not it meets our needs,” he said.

Aquino said a country in Southeast Asia bought a refurbished submarine for a bargain price of $12 million but ended up spending more to refit the vessel for tropical conditions.

“They ended up spending the same as if they bought it brand-new,” Aquino said.

Navy chief Vice Admiral Alexander Pama said they are cautious on the plans to purchase submarines to beef up their capabilities.

“This is a complicated matter,” Pama said. “We don’t want to commit a mistake by jumping into something. As I said, we don’t want to buy something which eventually we cannot chew and swallow,” he said.

When asked if the purchase of submarines is possible under Aquino’s term, Pama said: “I cannot second guess the President…there are several factors (to be considered)…it starts from our capacity, in terms of resources and second, our readiness.”

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Read more at http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2011/08/24/719614/submarine-navy-noy-bares-afp-shop-list#dosbQItxrEDGavJw.99

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PH Navy's goal: At least 3 submarines
The first step is the creation in 2013 of a submarine office in the Philippine Fleet 'to start developing the necessary skills and infrastructure,' says Navy Vice Commander Caesar Taccad

Carmela Fonbuena
@carmelafonbuena
Published 5:01 PM, December 17, 2014
Updated 5:01 PM, December 17, 2014

http://www.rappler.com/nation/78243-philippine-navy-submarine

MANILA, Philippines – The Philippine Navy has formed a submarine office to start the decade-long process of developing people and facilities to prepare them for the possible purchase of submarines, Navy vice commander Rear Admiral Caesar Taccad said in a modernization briefing on Wednesday, December 17.

"Submarines take a lot of gestation period. The rule of thumb in the development of support facilities, the people and technology of operating such a force is 10 years. Now when should we start? We can start now so we can [acquire] 10 years from now," Taccad said.

The first step is the creation in 2013 of a submarine office in the Philippine Fleet "to start developing the necessary skills and infrastructure." It is part of the discussions on what to acquire next after the ongoing P90-billion fresh modernization program is completed.

The second step, Taccad explained, is to have at least 3 submarines. "But if you cannot afford three, get two just like we're getting two frigates and two strategic sealift vessels so they can replace each other during maintenance. If you only procure one and continuously use it, it will only last for 5 years," Taccad said.

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Philippine Navy eyes submarines for 'deterrence'
ABS-CBN News
Posted at May 27 2015 05:55 PM | Updated as of May 28 2015 01:55 AM

http://news.abs-cbn.com/nation/05/27/15/philippine-navy-eyes-submarines-deterrence

MANILA - The Philippine Navy said acquiring submarines is part of the plan to modernize the military, but admitted it won't be easy and can’t happen overnight.

Nonetheless, an office to handle the development of submarine capability has been put up, said Navy chief Vice Admiral Jesus Millan.

“What we are pursuing of course is to take the initiative. The first important thing is to acknowledge the importance of such capability for our future requirements,” he said.

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“That is why, our initial step in the Navy is to establish an office to start learning about this discipline. It’s important that we learn about it and prepare our troops who will be involved in the development of such capability,” said Millan.

Navy vice commander Rear Adm. Caesar Taccad said in December that the submarines can be used as “deterrence.”

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Title: Re: Philippine Navy submarine studies
Post by: adroth on January 26, 2017, 12:44:21 PM
In the Duterte administration, with warming PH-RU ties, Rosoboexport's representatives have been working overtime have pitched their submarine line

Russia offering submarines but PHL not keen on buying —Lorenzana
Published December 30, 2016 9:24pm
By TRISHA MACAS, GMA News

Russia is offering to sell submarines to the Philippines but Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana on Friday said that it was unlikely that the Philippines would buy.

In a chance interview with reporters following the Rizal Day commemoration rites in Luneta, Lorenzana said he gave an update on his visit in Russia with Foreign Affairs Secretary Perfecto Yasay Jr. early in December.

"Okay naman. Very aggressive sila na makipag-ano tayo sa kanila na relationship na military--hindi naman alliance kundi exchange lang ng mga estudyante, na personnel, participation sa exercises, mga observer lang sa exercises muna," Lorenzana said.

"At saka, gusto rin nila magbenta sa atin ng mga hardware. So tignan natin kung kailangan natin ang mga hardware nila," he added.

"Gusto nila magbenta ng submarine pero ewan ko... Hindi [natin kaya]. Masyadong mahal. Napakamahal ng submarine. At hindi naman siguro natin kailangan ng submarine dito," Lorenzana said.

- See more at: http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/594189/news/nation/russia-offering-submarines-but-phl-not-keen-on-buying-lorenzana#sthash.QOAzVdQK.dpuf
Title: Re: Philippine Navy submarine studies
Post by: Herbie on January 26, 2017, 08:29:26 PM
DND evaluating Russian offer of diesel-electric submarines (http://www.pna.gov.ph/index.php?idn=1&sid=&nid=1&rid=958435)

MANILA, Jan. 26, 2017 (PNA) -- Department of National Defense (DND) Secretary Delfin Lorenzana said the country is now evaluating Russia's offer to sell the Philippines some of its advanced diesel-electric submarines.

The DND chief, in a press briefing Thursday, said they are now determining on whether these specialized ships are essential for the modernization needs of the Armed Forces of the Philippines and whether the country can afford to acquire and maintain such an expensive weapons platform.

However, Lorenzana said Russia diesel-electrics submarines are considered to be one of the best in the world.

Six variants of the Russian-made Kilo-class submarines are now being operated by Vietnam People's Navy.

The Armed Forces of the Philippines is expected to acquire its own diesel-electric class submarines during the 2nd Horizon of the AFP Modernization Program which is expected to begin this 2018 and end on 2022.

Kilo-class diesel-electric submarines are mainly intended for anti-shipping and anti-submarine operations in relatively shallow waters. (PNA)
BNB/PFN
Title: Re: Philippine Navy submarine studies
Post by: israeli on January 27, 2017, 02:03:45 AM
good thing the process to eventual entry of submarines in PN service has started through the serious consideration of offers coming from Russia, perhaps starting by looking at logistics and personnel training involved to properly prepare PN submariners.
Title: Re: Philippine Navy submarine studies
Post by: Shrike on January 27, 2017, 06:59:33 AM
Did the offer specify a specific submarine model? 636 Kilo? 677 Lada / Amur?
Title: Re: Philippine Navy submarine studies
Post by: Ayoshi on January 27, 2017, 09:05:12 AM
other source...
Philippines evaluates Russian Kilo-class submarines | IHS Jane's 360 (http://www.janes.com/article/67273/philippines-evaluates-russian-kilo-class-submarines) - 27 January 2017
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Quoting Lorenzana, the bureau said that the DND is "now determining on whether these specialised ships are essential for the modernisation needs of the Armed Forces of the Philippines and whether the country can afford to acquire and maintain such an expensive weapons platform".
Title: Re: Philippine Navy submarine studies
Post by: Manokski on January 27, 2017, 09:34:44 AM
Does this signal a shift in our Strategic planning?  Going with the Vietnamese model perhaps?

If there is one platform that could put a serious kink in Chinese plans, it would be submarines.  Even 1 operational one would seriously drain their resources at countering it.  Even if we did not get any missiles for our surface ships. 
Title: Re: Philippine Navy submarine studies
Post by: adroth on January 27, 2017, 03:12:31 PM
Does this signal a shift in our Strategic planning?  Going with the Vietnamese model perhaps?

If there is one platform that could put a serious kink in Chinese plans, it would be submarines.  Even 1 operational one would seriously drain their resources at countering it.  Even if we did not get any missiles for our surface ships.

Apparently there has always been a segment of the PN that has always appreciated the value of submarines. The variable in this story is the priority attached to that POV.

One significant change that has taken place in the navy in the past 10 years is reduction of decisions that used to be in the province of "command prerogative". With initiatives like the Center for Naval Leadership and Excellence incentivizing the organization to think some things through, attention now appears to be given to more long-term thinking . . . beyond the whims of individual FOICs.

Even the way the PN RDC is working appears to now be along longer-term lines. With the formation of an entity to study submarines . . .
Title: Re: Philippine Navy submarine studies
Post by: Mr. Pitz on February 10, 2017, 04:12:35 AM
This article from a Philippine Navy magazine gives us an insight about the Submarine Procurement Program as part of the Navy Sail Plan 2028.

Reporting for Duty - Submarine Group Fleet, Newest Unit on the Move (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a4/Reporting_for_Duty_-_Submarine_Group%2C_Fleet%27s_Newest_Unit_on_the_Move.pdf)

Take note: it is a PDF file.

Here is the diagram based on the PDF file:

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-hiQwsdSqD-A/WJ0MY1dxDqI/AAAAAAAAIZM/oJA2UvfRDXUqBRqR9cP_JaPgK1JoUz3fgCLcB/s1600/Sub%2Bplan.png)
Title: Re: Philippine Navy submarine studies
Post by: adroth on February 11, 2017, 08:38:23 AM
Good find Mr. P  :)
Title: Re: Philippine Navy submarine studies
Post by: Herbie on February 17, 2017, 05:55:46 AM
This is interesting, Naval Base Mactan Project as a PPP. No details yet on that page.

http://ppp.gov.ph/?ppp_projects=naval-base-mactan-project

Would it be fair to speculate that this would be related to our future Silent Service assets? The RSN's Changi Naval Warehouse was also a PPP undertaking.

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Second public-private partnership with Government of Singapore for MINDEF (Changi Naval Warehouse)

http://www.stlogs.com/corporate/milestones/

http://www.stlogs.com/2001/
Title: Re: Philippine Navy submarine studies
Post by: adroth on February 17, 2017, 11:02:24 AM
Even before we get submarines . . . even before the first Wildcat ASW helicopters arrive . . . one area of concern that the Submarine office can work on today is establishment of an acoustic database.

https://maritime.org/sound/

At the very least, the PN should know what its own ships sound like underwater so that it can "whitelist" them as friendlies.
Title: Re: Philippine Navy submarine studies
Post by: adroth on May 25, 2017, 01:42:47 PM
The SND isn't letting this line of discussion go away.

DND mulls purchase of Russian weaponry
 May 25, 2017

http://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/990910

MANILA, May 25 — The Philippines is planning to acquire weapons, including advanced diesel-electric submarines from Russia

This was disclosed by Department of National Defense (DND) Secretary Delfin Lorenzana in an interview on PNA Exclusive in Moscow, Russia around 2 p.m. Tuesday (7 p.m., Manila time).

"Yes, we have plans to purchase weapons from them. They have also very sophisticated and advanced weaponry. We will look into them, we have not decided what equipment but off the bat, we are looking, we would like to develop our submarine force so we will look into their submarines one of these days," he added.

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"If we can buy submarines or if they are affordable for us, or if the Philippine Navy would be willing to go there because we will give it to the Navy to decide what kind of submarine they would like to purchase. That is one of the plans that the PN (wants) is to develop some submarine capabilities," the DND chief pointed out.

And when asked on where these vessels will be based, Lorenzana said that they are looking into that detail.

"We will look into that. We don’t have any submarine base yet in the Philippines but if we will purchase already then we have to develop a submarine base to keep those submarines safe," Lorenzana pointed out.

Title: Re: Philippine Navy submarine studies
Post by: adroth on February 23, 2018, 06:04:05 PM
Submarines needed to make PH Navy more respectable: Empedrad
ByPTV NEWS - ABPosted on February 22, 2018

http://ptvnews.ph/submarines-needed-make-ph-navy-respectable-empedrad/

MANILA — While pushing for the completion of the country’s first two missile-capable frigates, Philippine Navy flag officer-in-command, Rear Admiral Robert Empedrad said the country also needs to acquire submarines as they are the “future of naval warfare”.

When asked by Senator Emmanuel “Manny” Pacquiao on what other equipment the Navy needs to be fully modernized, during the Senate hearing on the Frigate Acquisition Project earlier this week, Empedrad said, “Sir, we have a lot of concerns in the Navy, your honor. But for me, the future of naval warfare is submarine warfare. And I believe that if we want to get the respect of other foreign countries or navies, we should acquire submarines.”

This, he said, is due to their stealthy nature, which makes them very difficult to detect.

Submarines are naval vessels that can operate in deep or shallow waters and are capable of carrying a variety of weapons that can be used to attack land, sea and air targets.

“Sabi nga nila, mahirap kalabanin iyong kalaban na hindi nakikita (As they say, it is difficult to contain an invisible enemy). So if we have submarines, I’m sure other powerful navies would respect the Philippine Navy – if we get the submarine, your honor,” Empedrad said.

The Armed Forces of the Philippines is expected to acquire its own diesel-electric class submarines during the 2nd Horizon of the AFP Modernization Program, which is expected to begin this year and end in 2022. (Priam Nepomuceno/PNA)
Title: Re: Philippine Navy submarine studies
Post by: adroth on February 24, 2018, 07:51:42 PM
Will the Philippines Ever Realize its Submarine Dream?
A closer look at Manila’s pursuit of the capability.

By Prashanth Parameswaran
February 24, 2018
     
https://thediplomat.com/2018/02/will-the-philippines-ever-realize-its-submarine-dream/
 
This week, the Philippines’ new naval chief grabbed headlines when he said that the country should pursue submarines as part of its military modernization not only to add to its limited capabilities, but also to gain the respect of other regional actors. Though the comments were the subject of much local media coverage, they in fact represent just the latest restatement of the Philippine pursuit of the capability in spite of the significant challenges it faces in doing so.

The idea of the Philippines developing a submarine capability is not a new one and dates back to at least the 1990s. Since then, the Philippine government has studied the issue and taken some initial steps towards that long-term goal, including setting up a submarine office in 2013. And over the past few years, as more regional states had moved to either acquire submarines or expand or upgrade existing capabilities – not just China but also neighboring Southeast Asian countries like Vietnam, Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand – the idea has gained even more steam (See: “A New Plan to Manage Asia’s Submarine Race”).

To be sure, in reality, with the Philippines still one of the region’s weakest militaries and significant investments required in more basic capabilities as well to counter a series of internal and external challenges, a submarine capability would be an expensive investment – in terms of not just the equipment itself, but also the supporting people, technology, and facilities (See: “The Truth About Philippine Military Modernization and the China Threat”). But as part of a longer-term military modernization effort, a submarine capability would also admittedly be useful for helping address aspects of some of these challenges, including preserving the Philippine position in the South China Sea, or what is left of it (See: “Will a China-ASEAN South China Sea Code of Conduct Really Matter?”).

Within the current context of the ongoing Philippine military modernization program, which is divided into three horizons and phases out to 2028, a submarine capability has been expected to occur either in the Second Horizon (2018-2022) or the Third Horizon (2023 to 2028). Philippine defense officials have indicated that this is still the case under Duterte, even though few additional specifics have been provided, including the potential number of submarines as well as where they would be sourced from, whether new or old (See: “What’s Next for Philippine Military Modernization Under Duterte?”).

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Title: Re: Philippine Navy submarine studies
Post by: adroth on February 25, 2018, 07:15:15 PM
See time index 2:59:07 in the video below:

https://youtu.be/yLJW6wdfffQ


Submarines needed to make PH Navy more respectable: Empedrad
ByPTV NEWS - ABPosted on February 22, 2018

http://ptvnews.ph/submarines-needed-make-ph-navy-respectable-empedrad/

MANILA — While pushing for the completion of the country’s first two missile-capable frigates, Philippine Navy flag officer-in-command, Rear Admiral Robert Empedrad said the country also needs to acquire submarines as they are the “future of naval warfare”.

When asked by Senator Emmanuel “Manny” Pacquiao on what other equipment the Navy needs to be fully modernized, during the Senate hearing on the Frigate Acquisition Project earlier this week, Empedrad said, “Sir, we have a lot of concerns in the Navy, your honor. But for me, the future of naval warfare is submarine warfare. And I believe that if we want to get the respect of other foreign countries or navies, we should acquire submarines.”

This, he said, is due to their stealthy nature, which makes them very difficult to detect.

Submarines are naval vessels that can operate in deep or shallow waters and are capable of carrying a variety of weapons that can be used to attack land, sea and air targets.

“Sabi nga nila, mahirap kalabanin iyong kalaban na hindi nakikita (As they say, it is difficult to contain an invisible enemy). So if we have submarines, I’m sure other powerful navies would respect the Philippine Navy – if we get the submarine, your honor,” Empedrad said.

The Armed Forces of the Philippines is expected to acquire its own diesel-electric class submarines during the 2nd Horizon of the AFP Modernization Program, which is expected to begin this year and end in 2022. (Priam Nepomuceno/PNA)
Title: Re: Philippine Navy submarine studies
Post by: adroth on March 26, 2018, 07:32:15 PM
The latest installment. Only time will tell.

A great legacy for the country
Published March 25, 2018, 12:05 AM

https://news.mb.com.ph/2018/03/25/a-great-legacy-for-the-country/

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The country is now steadily building up its forces under the Second Horizon of the Revised AFP Modernization Program, the President told the PMA graduates. It has already acquired fighter jets, frigates, helicopters, arms and ammunition from South Korea and other countries. It has just acquired surveillance clones from the US. It plans to buy guided missile systems from Israel. And it plans to have its first submarine before 2020.
Title: Re: Philippine Navy submarine studies
Post by: redcomet_m on March 26, 2018, 08:15:33 PM
well if ever PN wants that sub before or rather on 2020, they better be doing the legwork now. Vietnam got its 1st kilo 3 years after signing it in 2009 (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fvi.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FH%25C3%25A0_N%25E1%25BB%2599i_%28HQ-182%29&edit-text=2009). Further, is this the FOICs latest push, or are we just doing a maskirovka?

Title: Re: Philippine Navy submarine studies
Post by: slayermoonlight on March 29, 2018, 12:50:14 AM
Wow! PN getting submarines before 2020?

Well... it's possible if they're planning to buy Submersibles and ROV's
http://tritonsubs.com/products-services/all-subs/

 ;D
Title: Re: Philippine Navy submarine studies
Post by: Mr. Pitz on April 03, 2018, 07:23:40 PM
This article from the Manila Bulletin slowly makes things a bit interesting.

https://business.mb.com.ph/2018/04/01/german-firm-keen-on-ph-defense-modernization/ (https://business.mb.com.ph/2018/04/01/german-firm-keen-on-ph-defense-modernization/)

German firm keen on PH defense modernization

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Thyssenkrupp, a leading global industrial engineering company based in Germany, has expressed strong interest to participate in the country’s defense modernization program, particularly on military shipbuilding.

Heinrich Hiesinger, chairman of the executive board, said that being one of companies that is now focusing on defense side for military have expressed this interest to the government but said they are just on a standby for government decision.

“You know it’s your government’s choice, we as a company we have decided to focus very much on the defense side because commercial side in recent years has become so competitive that it’s primarily China and Korea,” he said.

By far, Hiesinger said, thyssenkrupp is number one globally in conventional submarines. They have expertise in frigates and submarines.

“We have very strong offering on defense side and if your government wants to grow that then definitely we are very interested to participate because partnership is even longer,” he said.

He explained that if ever they will be given the chance to participate in this project, the German firm will build it locally because it is a taxpayers’ money that government will be using and as such there should also be jobs that must be generated locally.

This means that if they receive an order for shipbuilding for defense, they will find a local shipyard for the construction of the military vessel.

He reiterated though that it is up to government to make decision because that would need a state budget.

“This is a sensitive topic. We never push because it is up for the government to make a decision. So we will just wait and if government makes a decision, we are standing aside because it belongs to sovereign decision of the state and country. If we are called, we very much respect the sovereign decision of the nation and country,” he stressed.

Hiesinger added that he is a very optimistic person and the main reason of his visit, aside from the opening of its regional hub in BGC, was to assess the state of opportunities in the country.

“The reason I did come is you know large organizations have tendency to underestimate opportunities,” he said noting that he once headed an organization here in another company and experienced how difficult to convince global CEOs of opportunities in booming markets like the Philippines.

“You cannot explain countries but need to visit countries, not just theory. To   grab a bit of flavor you have to come,” he said. On this visit, he discovered that the business he saw several years ago has now turned into a big one.
Title: Re: Philippine Navy submarine studies
Post by: adroth on June 11, 2018, 03:01:10 AM
PH now looking for possible suppliers of diesel-electric submarines
By Priam Nepomuceno  June 11, 2018, 3:13 pm

http://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1037854

MANILA -- Department of National Defense (DND) Secretary Delfin Lorenzana on Monday said the country is now looking for possible suppliers of diesel-electric submarines to beef up the Philippine Navy's capabilities.

"Tumitingin tayo sa (We are looking at) (South) Korea at Russia and other countries," he added.

According to Lorenzana, while the diesel-electric submarines are part of the Third Horizon of the Revised Armed Forces of the Philippines Modernization Program (RAFPMP), which is slated for 2023 to 2028, there is a need to look into possible suppliers as building these undersea vessels takes a long time.

"Kasi yung paggawa ng submarine takes five to eight years eh, (The construction of submarines takes five to eight years) sometimes it takes 10 years," he added.

The DND chief also said that the Philippines needs to acquire diesel-submarines as its Southeast Asian neighbors like Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore and Vietnam now possessed squadrons of these vastly capable underwater craft.

"Kailangan din naman natin (ang diesel-electric submarines) yan para meron naman tayong (deterrent and) security, kasi yung mga kapitbahay natin may mga submarines na eh, Malaysia, Indonesia, pati Singapore na napakaliit na bansa, at saka Vietnam, tayo na lang wala dito (We need diesel-electric submarins so we have a deterrent and security. It's because our neighbors already have submarines. Malaysia, Indonesia, even a small country like Singapore. Vietnam also has submarines. It is only us who do not have it)," he added.

The RAFPMP is divided into three horizons, the first of which was slated 2013 to 2017, the second from 2018 to 2022 and third, 2023 to 2028.

The Second Horizon calls for the acquisition of equipment more attuned to external defense missions, including jet fighters and other air assets and missile systems.

Acquired during the First Horizon were the three Gregorio Del Pilar cutters, three combat utility helicopters for the Navy, two naval attack helicopters, six MPACs (multi-purpose assault craft), eight combat utility helicopters for the Air Force and refurbishment of two Lockheed C-130 "Hercules" cargo planes, two strategic sealift vessels, 12 FA-50 fighter jets among others. (PNA)
Title: Re: Philippine Navy submarine studies
Post by: dr demented on June 20, 2018, 12:16:05 PM
http://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1038865

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AFP to acquire diesel-electric subs in Phase 2 of modernization

By Priam Nepomuceno June 20, 2018, 6:30 pm

MANILA -- The acquisition of the country's first diesel-electric submarines will be brought forward to Horizon Two of the Revised Armed Forces of the Philippines Modernization Program (RAFPMP), Department of National Defense (DND) spokesperson Arsenio Andololong said Wednesday.

The procurement of the naval craft was earlier scheduled for Horizon Three, which is expected to run from 2023 to 2028, while Horizon Two is scheduled from 2018 to 2022. The budget for the program is roughly placed at PHP300 billion.

Horizon One lasted from 2013 to 2017 and resulted in the acquisition of the three Del Pilar-class frigates, 12 FA-50PH light-lift interim fighters, and two strategic sealift vessels, to name a few.

"Hindi na (This is not included in Horizon Three anymore), pinush na dito sa (It was pushed to be included in Horizon Two), ngayon (now), how will this come to be, yan ang kailangan pag-aralan (that is what must be studied)," Andolong said.

He declined to give the exact number of diesel-electric submarines to be acquired but said it will be more than one.

"Oo, hindi lang isa kasi kung iisa lang balewala lang yun (Yes, it won't just be one because having only one would be useless)," the DND spokesperson said.

Andolong said the diesel-electric submarines would be a great equalizer in the country's naval arsenal once acquired.

He added that incumbent Navy flag-officer-in-command Vice Admiral Robert Empedrad can be credited for pushing the inclusion of diesel-electric submarines in Horizon Two.

Earlier, the PN chief said he fully supports all proposals that would allow the country to acquire its first diesel-electric submarines at the soonest possible time.

This, he said, is because undersea or submarine warfare is the trend in naval warfare as it is very difficult to fight an opponent that cannot be seen or detected due to its ability to go underwater.

In line with this program, Empedrad said the PN has already created a Submarine Group that is now sending Navy personnel for training on submarine operations in preparation for the country's eventual acquisition of the naval craft.

He added that this is necessary as submarine acquisition, including building the vessel, training, and support facilities, often takes seven to 10 years.

Empedrad added that the decision to acquire submarines for the Philippine military is bolstered by a recent conference he attended in London, where more modern navies are shown building up their submarine fleet and anti-submarine capabilities. (PNA)
Title: Re: Philippine Navy submarine studies
Post by: El_Filibusterismo1978 on June 20, 2018, 04:29:36 PM
What's the cheapest submarine in the market today?
Title: Re: Philippine Navy submarine studies
Post by: dr demented on June 20, 2018, 08:17:16 PM
http://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1038951

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PH to have force projection capabilities with diesel-electric subs

By Priam Nepomuceno June 21, 2018, 10:34 am

MANILA -- Having a small squadron of diesel-electric submarines will give the Philippines force projection capabilities.

This was emphasized by Defense spokesperson Arsenio Andolong in an interview Wednesday.

"(Once the Philippines acquires its first diesel-electric submarines), we will be joining the exclusive club (of) countries (operating these vessels). Pag sa Navy kasi, dalawa ang symbol ng (In the Navy, there are two symbols of) force projection, symbol of power, the aircraft carrier (which can sink all kinds of ships through its air power) and the submarine, kasi ang (because the) submarine mahirap ma-detect (is hard to detect), kayang magpalubog ng aircraft carrier kung makakalapit siya (once it is able to approach, it can make an aircraft carrier sink), so at least, (it is) cost effective in terms of defense," he added.

Earlier, Andolong said acquisition of the country's first diesel-electric submarines will be brought forward to Horizon Two of the Revised Armed Forces of the Philippines Modernization Program (RAFPMP).

Procurement of the above-mentioned naval craft was earlier scheduled for Horizon Three which is expected to run from 2023 to 2028 while Horizon Two is scheduled from 2018 to 2022.

Budget for the program is roughly placed at PHP300 billion. Horizon One lasted from 2013 to 2017 and resulted in the acquisition of the three Del Pilar-class frigates, 12 FA-50PH light-lift interim fighters, two strategic sealift vessels, to name a few.

"Hindi na (This is not included in Horizon Three anymore), pinush na dito sa (It was pushed to be included in Horizon Two), ngayon (now), how will this come to be, yan ang kailangan pag-aralan (that is what must be studied)," Andolong said.

He declined to give the exact number of diesel-electric submarines to be acquired but said it will be more than one. (PNA)
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Post by: adroth on June 22, 2018, 09:29:06 PM
Philippines moves ahead with ‘second horizon’ modernisation
Jon Grevatt, Bangkok - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
21 June 2018
 
http://www.janes.com/article/81234/philippines-moves-ahead-with-second-horizon-modernisation?utm_campaign=CL_%20Jane%27s%20360-June-22-2018_PC5308_e-production_E-11307_KP_0622_0715&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Eloqua

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Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte has given approval to the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) to progress plans to procure a wide range of defence equipment under its ‘second horizon’ modernisation programme, which runs 2018–2022.

The state-run Philippines News Agency (PNA) reported on 20 June that the second horizon programme has been allocated “roughly PHP300 billion” (USD5.6 billion) and includes the procurement of a range of tactical military platforms including multirole combat aircraft and diesel–electric submarines.

Department of National Defense (DND) spokesman Arsenio Andolong was quoted by the PNA as saying Duterte has approved the funding programme, which also encompasses an accelerated schedule for the submarine procurement. This was originally scheduled for the 2023–2027 third horizon but has now been moved forward, said Andolong. “This is not included in horizon three any more,” he said. “It has been pushed into horizon two [and the procurement] must be studied.”

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PN officials have said the service requires at least two submarines and that the procurement was initiated in 2015 through the issue of a preliminary request for information (RFI). The PN has also established a submarine office that, as part of planning processes, is reviewing contemporary submarine designs and drawing up a concept of operations. Philippine Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana also confirmed in 2017 that the Russian-made Kilo-class submarine was one platform under consideration.
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Post by: adroth on June 23, 2018, 01:01:27 AM
Dick Gordon commends AFP plan to purchase submarines
Published June 22, 2018, 4:07 PM
By Mario Casayuran

https://news.mb.com.ph/2018/06/22/dick-gordon-commends-afp-plan-to-purchase-submarines/

Senator Richard J. Gordon doffed his hat off to the Department of National Defense (DND) for its plan to buy submarines as part of its military upgrade amid growing security challenges in the Southeast Asian region.

Gordon said the earlier than expected acquisition is a ‘’step in the right direction.’’

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A few years ago, the Commission on Appointments (CA) confirmed the appointment of a Philippine Navy officer who was subsequently sent to train on submarine warfare in Germany.

The DND has announced that the purchase of submarines had been moved from the military’s shopping list under Horizon 3 to Horizon 2. Projects under Horizon 2 will be implemented from 2018 to 2022, while Horizon 3 projects will run from 2023 to 2028.

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Post by: adroth on July 12, 2018, 10:47:28 AM
https://amti.csis.org/the-next-phase-of-philippine-military-modernization-looking-to-external-defense/

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The Next Phase of Philippine Military Modernization: Looking to External Defense

By Renato Cruz de Castro | July 12, 2018
AMTI Update

President Rodrigo Duterte recently decided to bankroll the second phase of the 15-year Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) modernization program. The plan for the program involves three five-year phases, or “horizons.” The first horizon, which began in 2013 and ended in 2017, involved purchases of military hardware mainly for internal security challenges, though it included some big-ticket air and naval acquisitions for external defense. The second horizon, which will be implemented from 2018 to 2022, entails an ambitious transition period wherein the AFP will shift its arms acquisitions away from internal security to territorial defense. This will require a huge allocation of 300 billion pesos (about $5.6 billion).

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The acquisition of submarines was originally planned for the third horizon (2023-2028). But the current navy chief, Vice Admiral Robert Empedrad, lobbied for the immediate inclusion of diesel-electric submarines in horizon two. He argued that undersea operations are a trend in naval warfare and its lack of submarines would disadvantage the AFP in any future conflict. The Department of Defense (DND) supported Empedrad, saying that diesel-electric submarines would be a great equalizer in the country’s naval arsenal. The DND declined to provide an exact number of submarines that the navy will buy, but said that it will be more than one. To show it is serious about the project, the navy has formed a Submarine Group that is now sending personnel abroad for training in undersea operations. The navy estimates that its acquisition of submarines, including building the vessels, training officers and crews, and the provision of support facilities will take 7 to 10 years.

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Post by: dr demented on July 30, 2018, 12:27:38 AM
http://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1043069

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PH Navy prepares for acquisition of submarines

By Priam Nepomuceno July 30, 2018, 2:47 pm

MANILA -- The Philippine Navy (PN) is now conducting market research and doctrine studies on how to fully utilize the submarines it is planning to acquire as part of the efforts to modernize its fleet.

The former refers to costing of an affordable submersible vessel while the latter refers to specific mission use of the submarine in Philippine naval service.

"Now the Navy (is) studying doctrines (on submarine usage and deployment) and planning its procurement. This has never been done before and I think that is significant (as it provides a direction for the PN's future acquisition)," Defense spokesperson Arsenio Andolong said in an interview with reporters Monday.

Earlier, the DND spokesperson said the acquisition of the country's first submarines will be brought forward to Horizon Two of the Revised Armed Forces of the Philippines Modernization Program (RAFPMP), which was approved by President Rodrigo Duterte last May.

The procurement of the above-mentioned naval craft was earlier scheduled for Horizon Three, which is expected to run from 2023 to 2028, while Horizon Two is scheduled from 2018 to 2022.

The budget for the program is roughly placed at PHP300 billion. Horizon One lasted from 2013 to 2017 and resulted in the acquisition of the three Del Pilar-class frigates, 12 FA-50PH light-lift interim jet fighters, two strategic sealift vessels, to name a few.

"Hindi na (when asked on whether submarines will be acquire on Horizon Three), pinush na dito (Horizon Two), ngayon (now), how will this come to be, yan ang kailangan pag-aralan (that is what needs to be studied)," Andolong said.

The DND spokesperson said submarines are a great equalizer for the country's naval arsenal once acquired.

He added that incumbent Navy flag-officer-in-command Vice Admiral Robert Empedrad can be credited for pushing the inclusion of diesel-electric submarines in Horizon Two.

Earlier, the PN chief said that he fully supports all proposals that would allow the country to acquire its first diesel-electric submarines at the soonest possible time. This is because undersea or submarine warfare is now the trend in naval warfare as it is very difficult to fight an opponent you cannot see or detect due to its ability to go underwater.

In line with this project, Empedrad said the PN has already created a Submarine Group, which is now sending Navy personnel for study and training on submarine operations in preparation for the country's eventual acquisition of submarines.

He added that this is necessary as the submarine acquisition, including training, support facilities, and the vessel, often takes seven to 10 years.

The PN chief added that the decision to acquire submarines for the Philippine military was further bolstered by a recent conference he attended in London, United Kingdom, where more and more modern navies are shown building up their submarine fleet and anti-submarine capabilities. (PNA)
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Post by: adroth on July 30, 2018, 10:20:21 PM
Duterte okays AFP’s submarine program
Updated July 31, 2018, 7:09 AM

By Francis Wakefield

https://news.mb.com.ph/2018/07/30/duterte-okays-afps-submarine-program/

President Duterte has given the go signal for the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) to have its own submarine program, the Department of National Defense (DND) said Monday.

DND spokesman Director Arsenio Andolong said in an interview that the submarine acquisition program is part of the wishlist of the AFP, and now the Chief Executive has given his approval for the AFP to push through with it.

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Andolong said that barring any unforeseen circumstances, the Philippine Navy will be able to finish the contract within President Duterte’s term.  But if the submarine program is not realized during Duterte’s term, the important thing is that it has set a direction for the future, he said.

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Post by: dr demented on August 01, 2018, 09:41:56 AM
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Island nations need submarines for complete defense: Lorenzana

By Priam Nepomuceno August 1, 2018, 3:18 pm

MANILA -- Submarines are a must for the defense capability of an archipelagic state like the Philippines.

This was stressed by Department of National Defense (DND) Secretary Delfin Lorenzana when asked Tuesday on the importance of the Philippine Navy's acquisition of submarines.

"For a nation with maritime territory especially, (islands), its national defense is incomplete without (a) submarine," he added.

Lorenzana also said an effective active submarine force is a great deterrent for would-be aggressors due to its capability to travel underwater unseen, giving it the element of surface.

A submarine force is a great morale booster to the Armed Forces of the Philippines, the DND chief added.

Earlier, DND spokesperson Arsenio Andolong said acquisition of the country's first submarines will be brought forward to Horizon Two of the Revised Armed Forces of the Philippines Modernization Program (RAFPMP).

Procurement of the above-mentioned naval craft was earlier scheduled for Horizon Three which is expected to run from 2023 to 2028 while Horizon Two is scheduled from 2018 to 2022.

Budget for the program is roughly placed at PHP300 billion.

Horizon One lasted from 2013 to 2017 and resulted in the acquisition of the three Del Pilar-class frigates, 12 FA-50PH light-lift interim fighters, two strategic sealift vessels, to name a few.

The DND spokesperson said submarines are a great equalizer in the country's naval arsenal once acquired.

He added that incumbent Navy flag-officer-in-command Vice Admiral Robert Empedrad can be credited for pushing the inclusion of submarines in Horizon Two.

Earlier, the PN chief said that he fully supports all proposals that would allow the country to acquire its first diesel-electric submarines at the soonest possible time.

This is because undersea or submarine warfare has become a trend in naval warfare as it is very difficult to fight an unseen opponent due to its ability to go underwater.

In line with this project, Empedrad said the PN has already created a Submarine Group which is now sending Navy personnel for study and training on submarine operations in preparation for the country's eventual acquisition of the above-mentioned naval craft. He added that this is necessary as submarine acquisition, including training, support facilities, and the vessel, often takes seven to 10 years.

The PN chief added that the decision to acquire submarines for the Philippine military was further bolstered by a recent conference he attended in London, United Kingdom where more and more modern navies are shown building up their submarine fleet and anti-submarine capabilities. (PNA)
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Post by: Ayoshi on August 09, 2018, 01:23:25 AM
Philippine, Russian navies consider submarine agreement | Janes (https://www.janes.com/article/82217/philippine-russian-navies-consider-submarine-agreement) - 07 August 2018
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The Philippine Navy (PN) and Russian Navy are discussing the terms of an agreement to expand collaboration on diesel-electric submarines, state-run media in Manila has reported.

The Philippine News Agency (PNA) reported on 6 August that the two navies recently discussed the draft memorandum of understanding (MOU) through which Russia would look to meet the PN’s requirement to procure the subsurface capability.

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PN officials have also been invited to Russian shipyards to observe submarine construction programmes, he said.

In late July, the Philippines Department of National Defense confirmed in comments to the PNA that it is currently conducting “market research and doctrine studies” in support of its submarine procurement programme.

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The Russian-made Kilo-class submarine is regarded as a possible procurement for the Philippine Navy under its ‘second horizon’ modernisation programme. Source: Russian MoD
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Post by: adroth on August 10, 2018, 09:47:55 PM
Russia to provide ‘soft loan’ for PH submarine project
By PTV News - CD - August 10, 2018

https://www.ptvnews.ph/russia-provide-soft-loan-ph-submarine-project/

MANILA — If the Philippines has no money to buy its first-ever submarine, Russia is more than willing to provide the country “soft loans” to acquire the specialized underwater craft, Department of National Defense Delfin Lorenzana said Thursday.

Lorenzana said Russia is keen on selling to the Philippines its Kilo-class diesel-electric submarines, which has surface displacement of 2,350 tons, a length of 73.8 meters and capable of speeds up 17 to 20 knots.

It can be armed with a variety of torpedoes, missiles and naval mines and has a cruising range of around 6,000 to 7,500 nautical miles.

In the ASEAN region, Vietnam is known to operate six improved Kilo-class submarines in its fleet.

“Kung wala tayong pera pahihiramin tayo ng Russia, soft loans (If we don’t have the money, Russia will lend us soft loans),” Lorenzana said Thursday.

“Soft loan” refers to financing with no interest or below market rate of interest.

Lorenzana said the country is still looking at other possible submarines suppliers in Europe, including France, noting that the country’s submarine acquisition program, including possible suppliers, will be most likely finalized in the next 12 months.

“Maybe within the year, maybe within the next 12 months. Maybe we could finalize this. If this is approved, it will take them four years to make it, so it could be delivered when the term of President (Rodrigo Duterte) already ended,” Lorenzana said.

Earlier, the DND chief said for an island nation like the Philippines, its defense can be considered incomplete without a fleet of submarines.

“For a nation with maritime territory especially island nation, its national defense is incomplete without (a) submarine,” he added.

Lorenzana noted that an effective active submarine force is a great deterrent for would be aggressors due to its capability to travel underwater, giving it the element of surprise.

A submarine force is a great morale booster to the Armed Forces of the Philippines, the DND chief added.

Meanwhile, DND spokesperson Arsenio Andolong said the acquisition of the country’s first submarines will be brought forward to Horizon Two of the Revised Armed Forces of the Philippines Modernization Program (RAFPMP).

The procurement of the underwater craft was earlier scheduled for Horizon Three, which is expected to run from 2023 to 2028 while Horizon Two is scheduled from 2018 to 2022. The budget for the program is roughly placed at PHP300 billion.

Horizon One covered the 2013 to 2017 period and resulted in the acquisition of the three Del Pilar-class frigates, 12 FA-50PH light-lift interim fighters, two strategic sealift vessels, to name a few. (Priam Nepomuceno/PNA)
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Post by: adroth on August 17, 2018, 07:54:47 PM
Lorenzana insists submarine acquisition ‘most advantageous’ for AFP
Published August 17, 2018, 7:44 PM
By Martin Sadongdong

https://news.mb.com.ph/2018/08/17/lorenzana-insists-submarine-acquisition-most-advantageous-for-afp/

The Department of National Defense (DND) on Friday defended the plan to acquire big-ticket items, like submarines, from Russia amid the concern of a US official that it would not help the alliance of the Philippines with America.

“While our acquisition of submarines for the Philippine Navy is still under study and nothing is final at this point, we emphasize that the Defense Department will procure equipment that is most advantageous for the Armed Forces of the Philippines through our AFP Modernization Program,” Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana said.

He added they are open to purchase defense-enhancing equipment from any country “as long as the procurement follows the proper process as provided for under the Philippine laws, and the equipment meets the requirements of its end users.”

Furthermore, Lorenzana emphasized that the country’s defense department continues to honor all of its alliances and partnerships with other countries through the conduct of international defense and security engagements.

On Thursday, US Assistant Secretary of Defense for Asian and Pacific Security Affairs Randall Schriver said the Philippine government should think carefully its decision to acquire submarines from Russia as it will not help the two countries’ alliance.

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Title: Re: Philippine Navy submarine studies
Post by: El_Filibusterismo1978 on August 20, 2018, 08:35:38 PM
A submarine to consider from the Koreans..

http://m.mk.co.kr/news/headline/2018/521599

The KSS-3
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Post by: dr demented on August 22, 2018, 08:47:45 AM
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3 other nations willing to supply diesel-electric submarines to PH

By Priam Nepomuceno August 22, 2018, 11:49 am

MANILA -- Aside from Russia, three other countries have expressed interest to supply the Philippine Navy with diesel-electric submarines.

"We are now studying the offers of (South) Korea, France and if I'm not mistaken, Indonesia as well," Department of National Defense spokesperson Arsenio Andolong said in an interview with reporters Wednesday, noting that all three have shipyards and facilities capable of constructing diesel-electric submarines.

No other details are available, Andolong said.

Earlier, Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana said Russia is willing to provide advanced versions of its Kilo-class submarines to the Philippines through "soft loans" but clarified that the country is still looking for other sources.

Kilo-class submarines have a surface displacement of 2,350 tons, a length of 73.8 meters and capable of speeds up 17 to 20 knots and can be armed with a variety of torpedoes, missiles and naval mines.

It has a cruising range of about 6,000 to 7,500 nautical miles. In the ASEAN region, Vietnam is known to operate six improved Kilo-class submarines in its fleet.

Lorenzana earlier said that for an island nation like the Philippines, defense could be considered incomplete without a fleet of submarines.

"For a nation with maritime territory, especially (an) island nation, its national defense is incomplete without (a) submarine," he added.

The defense chief also said that an effective active submarine force is a great deterrent for would-be aggressors due to its capability to travel underwater unseen, giving it the element of surprise.

A submarine force is a great morale booster to the Armed Forces of the Philippines, he added. (PNA)
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Post by: Invictus on August 24, 2018, 12:00:06 AM
Interoperability a factor in acquiring major naval systems: Navy chief (http://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1045856)
By Priam Nepomuceno  August 24, 2018, 11:57 am

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MANILA -- When acquiring major naval systems like submarines, interoperability is always a key factor, Philippine Navy (PN) Flag-Officer-in-Command Vice Admiral Robert Empedrad said.

"Interoperability is a very important factor (in the) acquisition (or) upgrade. 'Pag bumili tayo (When we buy equipment, we must ensure that) we come up with (the necessary) technical specifications (that will) make sure that the interoperability with our (ships) will be taken into consideration," Empedrad said Wednesday.

In the case of the submarines that the government plans to acquire, the Navy chief said the installation of equipment that would allow it to coordinate and communicate with other Navy assets would be a priority.

"We can include (that in) our specifications. 'Yung communication (equipment that will be installed) will be coming from a proponent (supplier) that we already have in our inventory," Empedrad said.

Having this capability would ensure that there is no "miscalculation" among the submarines and other PN ships, he pointed out.

He reiterated that it is high time for the Philippines to have submarines in its fleet to beef up its capability to defend the country's vast maritime territories.

Earlier, Empedrad said government-to-government procurement is the best way to acquire submarines for the Navy.

He said Russians are proposing a "soft-loan" for their Kilo-class diesel-electric submarines. Despite the offer, however, Empedrad said nothing is final.

Aside from Russia, Germany and South Korea have also expressed interest to participate in the Navy's submarine acquisition program, he added. (PNA)
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Post by: adroth on August 27, 2018, 09:27:25 PM
Russia, S. Korea among top candidates for PH submarine project
By Priam Nepomuceno  August 23, 2018, 4:30 pm

http://www.pna.gov.ph/index.php/articles/1045736

MANILA -- Russia and South Korea are among the top candidates to supply diesel-electric submarines to the Philippines, Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana said late Wednesday.

Lorenzana said he met with Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoygu last August 21 at the Army Forum and Exhibition.

The following day, Lorenzana also met with Deputy Minister Colonel General Alexander Fomin at the Ministry of Defense building and talked for 20 minutes.

He left for Moscow last Aug. 16 and will return to the country on Friday (August 24).

"Napag-usapan namin ang (We spoke about) military-to-military relations, palitan ng mga sundalo sa (exchange of soldiers for) military training, port visits of (Philippine) Navy ships to Vladivostok, participation in military exercises," he said in a text message to reporters.

And while discussions took place, the Russian defense officials are aware that the Philippines is still looking for submarines suppliers.

"There are discussions. But they know that we are shopping and has yet to decide where to buy," Lorenzana added. On this matter, Russia and South Korea remains among the top candidates.

"(South) Korea is a candidate too. But the Russian-made (Kilo-class diesel-electric submarine) is better and more expensive," the defense chief said.

South Korea is offering Chang Bogo class diesel-electric submarine, a variant of the German type 209 submersible craft, which has a displacement of 1,200 to 1,400 gross tons, length of 56 to 61 meters, and range of 11,000 nautical miles. It can be armed with a variety of torpedoes.

When asked which of the two is the more preferred supplier, Lorenzana said the country is still looking for a more affordable platform.

Earlier, he said Russia is willing to provide advanced versions of its Kilo-class submarines to the Philippines through "soft loans" but clarified that the country is still looking for other sources.

Kilo-class submarines have a surface displacement of 2,350 tons, and a length of 73.8 meters, and is capable of speeds up 17 to 20 knots and can be armed with a variety of torpedoes, missiles and naval mines. It has a cruising range of 6,000 to 7,500 nautical miles. (PNA)
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Post by: adroth on August 31, 2018, 12:36:16 PM
Lorenzana backtracks on Russian submarines
Published 11:02 AM, August 31, 2018
Updated 11:14 AM, August 31, 2018

https://www.rappler.com/nation/210797-delfin-lorenzana-backtracks-russian-submarines

MANILA, Philippines – Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana has backtracked on the urgency of acquiring Russian submarines amid concerns raised against the plan.

“It is still in the planning stage,” Lorenzana told lawmakers during a budget hearing on Wednesday, August 29.


He told lawmakers the country might not be able to afford the maintenance of submarines.

“The congressman is correct that a submarine is very expensive. In the first place, the capital outlay is already very expensive. To maintain it is also very expensive. To man it, you need two sets of crews that will alternate in manning the submarine,” Lorenzana said.

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Post by: Ayoshi on October 04, 2018, 10:44:57 AM
Philippine Navy tours Russian submarine | Philstar (https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2018/10/05/1857445/philippine-navy-tours-russian-submarine) - October 5, 2018 - 12:00am
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The government has been scouting for big-ticket defense items in line with the modernization program of the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP).

Russia is among the countries that have expressed readiness to supply the Philippines with needed military equipment and has offered the Philippine government a soft loan for its planned submarine procurement.

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PH Navy members tour Russian submarine | ABS-CBN news - Oct 04 2018 12:00 AM

https://news.abs-cbn.com/video/news/10/04/18/ph-navy-members-tour-russian-submarine


The World Tonight: PH Navy members tour Russian submarine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xImL8E-sz9I

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Post by: adroth on October 05, 2018, 10:55:54 PM
From: https://www.facebook.com/philippinenavy/posts/10155989351032956

PHILIPPINE NAVY CONTINGENT VISITS RUSSIAN NAVY SUBMARINE IN VLADIVOSTOK, RUSSIA

VLADIVOSTOK, RUSSIA –After various scheduled activities were conducted in different areas here in Vladivostok, Russia, members of the Naval Task Force 87 led by Capt Florante N Gagua PN(GSC) took the opportunity with the invitation of the Russian Pacific Fleet to visit their Diesel Submarine last 03 October 2018.

Read more: http://navy.mil.ph/pn_web_news.php?news_id=1864


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Post by: hotandwild on October 31, 2018, 01:00:45 PM
No shortlist yet for submarine acquisition: AFP official

By Priam Nepomuceno,  October 31, 2018, 10:04 am


MANILA -- The government has yet to come up with a shortlist of countries where it can acquire its first-ever diesel electric submarines from.

This was confirmed by AFP deputy chief-of-staff for plans Major Gen. Restituto Padilla on Monday when asked where the country is planning to source the new naval vessel.

"Well it's simple as a search in the Google search engine where you find a lot of submarine producing countries so they are still part of the long list of countries that you may consider to get the submarine from," Padilla noted.

Padilla said this includes the Nordic countries, Russia, and all other nations  producing the stealthy craft.

"But I cannot at this point say if there is a shortlist that has been done because there is none at all," he disclosed.

Earlier, Padilla mentioned that the AFP modernization, which is on a three Horizon capability build-up, is already on the Second Horizon or the starting point for completing all the requirements to meet internal and external security challenges.

"So this why you may have heard recently that the keel-laying ceremony for our frigate that was ordered from South Korea has been announced and that in essence by 2020 if I'm not mistaken, the delivery of the first working frigate of the Philippine Navy will be in the offing. As to the submarine capability buildup this is very long term development, it is not something that we can get off the shelf, it is a capability that needs to be slowly, deliberately and in consultation with our allies, the United States included," he added.

With this, the decision on whether to acquire submarines will be made in due time, Padilla stressed. (PNA)

http://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1052615 (http://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1052615)