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General Discussion => AFP Modernization & Defense Acquisitions => : adroth September 25, 2016, 12:32:49 AM

: Surface Attack Aicraft / Lead-In Fighter Trainer Acquisition Project
: adroth September 25, 2016, 12:32:49 AM
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Video of delivery



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: Re: Surface Attack Aicraft / Lead-In Fighter Trainer Acquisition Project
: 12th BCT October 10, 2016, 07:49:13 PM
I recall, when this whole procurement was being discussed, that the FA-50s would be coming:

1) with an intergrated ILS, as mandated by law;
2) And a robust, ground-based sim training system, complete with simulators.

How come, as for repairs and engine replacements, parang peacemeal pa din ang procurement? I maybe wrong but please enlighten me.

And where are/is the ground-based component?
: Re: Surface Attack Aicraft / Lead-In Fighter Trainer Acquisition Project
: Herbie November 29, 2016, 12:24:24 AM
2 more FA-50PH supersonic jet aircraft to arrive Dec. 1
By Priam F. Nepomuceno

MANILA, Nov. 29 (PNA) -- Two more FA-50PHs "Fighting Eagle" jet aircraft is scheduled to arrive at Clark Field, Angeles City, Pampanga on Dec. 1, raising the number of the Mach 1.5 capable aircraft of the Philippine Air Force (PAF) to four.

This was disclosed by PAF commander Lt. Gen. Edgar Fallorina during the sidelights of the Department of National Defense's 77th founding anniversary Tuesday. He added the South Korean-made jet aircraft will be arriving 10 a.m. Thursday.

<snipped>

As this develops, Fallorina said there are currently nine Filipino pilots fully trained to fly the FA-50PHs. Three of these are instructor pilots and the remaining six are operational ones.

<snipped>

http://www.pna.gov.ph/index.php?idn=1&sid=&nid=1&rid=944229
: Re: Surface Attack Aicraft / Lead-In Fighter Trainer Acquisition Project
: adroth November 29, 2016, 02:21:52 AM
Four FA-50PHs in the inventory by this week if all goes well. Let's see if the "one FA-50PH per month in 2017" report by AFP DefensePH members (Timawans) holds true.
: Re: Surface Attack Aicraft / Lead-In Fighter Trainer Acquisition Project
: Ayoshi November 29, 2016, 06:19:55 AM
other source:
Air Force to receive 2 more fighter planes from South Korea – Defense chief | GMA news (http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/590622/news/nation/air-force-to-receive-2-more-fighter-planes-from-south-korea-defense-chief) - November 29, 2016
Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana said Tuesday the Philippine Air Force is set to receive Thursday two more FA-50 fighter planes from South Korea as part of the Armed Forces Modernization Program.

“Dalawa pang FA-50 ang tatanggapin ng PAF sa unang araw ng Disyembre,” Lorenzana said in his speech during the celebration of the Department of National Defense’s 77th anniversary.

“Pagkatapos nito, apat na ang ating eroplanong pandigma. Meron pang walong matatanggap sa mga darating na buwan,” he added.

An advisory from the PAF said the second batch of FA-50PH F/SA/LIFTA with tail #003 and #004 from Korea will be ferried in the country by the pilots from Korean Aerospace Industries, Ltd (KAI) with an arrival ceremony.
: Re: Surface Attack Aicraft / Lead-In Fighter Trainer Acquisition Project
: adroth November 30, 2016, 01:43:13 AM
Schedule posted on the forum's FB extension

https://www.facebook.com/groups/rpdefense/permalink/1142064372546075/

RE: FA-50Ph 003 and 004 schedule

Serial : PH17003 and PH17004
HIN-CJU-KHH-CRK
CJU - ETD 1240
KHH - ETA 1405 1410 ETD 1140 1145

CLARK - ETA 13:30 13:45

Some info from Mr. Peter Ho
Sources: KAI and Taiwan CAA
: Re: Surface Attack Aicraft / Lead-In Fighter Trainer Acquisition Project
: Ayoshi November 30, 2016, 07:36:09 AM
Philippines Air Force FA-50 Landing at RCKH/KHH (Nov.30.2016)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adIQ0GHFJVU
: 2nd batch of FA-50s incoming
: adroth November 30, 2016, 05:58:29 PM
This will eventually be merged with the main FA-50PH thread. But for now . . .

Yesterday's landing in Taiwan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adIQ0GHFJVU

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https://www.facebook.com/groups/rpdefense/permalink/1142064372546075/

RE: FA-50Ph 003 and 004 schedule

Serial : PH17003 and PH17004
HIN-CJU-KHH-CRK
CJU - ETD 1240
KHH - ETA 1405 1410 ETD 1140 1145

CLARK - ETA 13:30 13:45

Some info from Mr. Peter Ho
Sources: KAI and Taiwan CAA
: Re: 2nd batch of FA-50s incoming
: adroth November 30, 2016, 05:59:30 PM
Posted on the forum's FB extension 34 minutes ago:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/rpdefense/permalink/1144311552321357/

"FA-50PH with Tail/n 003-004 has now depart from sacheon at 8:00am earlier"
: Re: 2nd batch of FA-50s incoming
: adroth November 30, 2016, 06:08:23 PM
From the forum's FB extension: https://www.facebook.com/groups/rpdefense/permalink/1144332652319247/

(http://defenseph.net/bootcamp/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/15252580_10207664970524342_2819060793651137990_o.jpg)

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: Re: Surface Attack Aicraft / Lead-In Fighter Trainer Acquisition Project
: El_Filibusterismo1978 November 30, 2016, 08:34:01 PM
any updates on the arrival of the FA-50 Nos 3 and 4?...

: Re: 2nd batch of FA-50s incoming
: adroth November 30, 2016, 10:31:12 PM
All FA-50PHs are operational. #001 and #002 greeted their brothers

Video from Philippine Plane Spotters Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/philippineplanespotters/permalink/1173985302638398/

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: Re: 2nd batch of FA-50s incoming
: adroth November 30, 2016, 11:05:54 PM
Fom: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10207666081992128&set=gm.1144483388970840&type=3&theater

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: Re: Surface Attack Aicraft / Lead-In Fighter Trainer Acquisition Project
: adroth December 01, 2016, 12:40:54 AM
any updates on the arrival of the FA-50 Nos 3 and 4?...

Currently posted here:

http://defenseph.net/drp/index.php?topic=790.0

Will merge that thread with this one once it moves to the second page of the forum indicating reduced interest
: Re: Surface Attack Aicraft / Lead-In Fighter Trainer Acquisition Project
: aris_glock40 December 01, 2016, 12:41:25 AM
any updates on the arrival of the FA-50 Nos 3 and 4?...

https://www.facebook.com/PilonoyAviators022513/videos/1309335609100675/?autoplay_reason=gatekeeper&video_container_type=0&video_creator_product_type=2&app_id=2392950137&live_video_guests=0
: Re: 2nd batch of FA-50s incoming
: Ayoshi December 01, 2016, 05:33:54 AM
Philippine Air Force KAI FA-50PH(#003, #004)Arrival in Clark Air Base December 1, 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UcxKU27ZfM


Two new Air Force fighter planes land in Clark | inquirer.net (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/849784/look-two-new-air-force-fighter-planes-land-in-clark) - December 01, 2016
The second batch of a dozen fighter planes ordered from South Korea landed in Clark before noon on Thursday, raising the number of existing jets of the Philippine Air Force to four.
Piloted by two South Koreans, the FA-50s with tail numbers 003 and 004 arrived at Clark Air Base at 11:41 a.m. and 11:42 a.m.

The two fighter jets left Kaohsiung, Taiwan, around 10:10 a.m. and were met by the first two FA-50s with tail numbers 0001 and 002 over Pangasinan. They made a diamond formation over Clark Air Base and were met with a water cannon salute when they landed.

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Two new FA-50 fighter planes for the Philippine Air Force arrive at Haribon Hangar, Clark Air Base, Pampanga on Dec. 1. Niño Jesus Orbeta/Philippine Daily Inquirer

: Re: 2nd batch of FA-50s incoming
: Ayoshi December 01, 2016, 07:09:49 AM
Additional Photos from Philippine Air Force FB Page

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: Re: Surface Attack Aicraft / Lead-In Fighter Trainer Acquisition Project
: mamiyapis December 01, 2016, 08:41:28 PM
Welcome home 003 and 004! Then there were 4.
: Re: 2nd batch of FA-50s incoming
: adroth December 01, 2016, 09:23:04 PM
Photos by Efrain Noel Morota‎

https://www.facebook.com/groups/rpdefense/permalink/1145659368853242/

(http://defenseph.net/bootcamp/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/1.jpg)

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: Re: Surface Attack Aicraft / Lead-In Fighter Trainer Acquisition Project
: r3mu511 December 07, 2016, 09:14:09 AM
tl/dr version

rough approximation of elm-2032 fire control radar in fa-50 gives an air-to-air range performance of ~80 km (with the high-power transmitter configuration) using a 16" antenna size...

an old (2013-ish) KAI video (from the old forum) indicated a slightly less than ~100 km range which would mean an antenna slightly under 20" in size...

full version

watching the vids of the new fa50 pair as well as the older vids of the initial pair in the Balikatan exercise, it struck me that all these hidef vids of the fa50 carrying external fuel tanks would allow one to approximate the diameter of the fa50 radome, from which one can then gauge the antenna size of it's elm-2032 fcr and with a little math approximate it's range performance as compared to public domain data and the manufacturer's catalog info...

as it happens, in a post in the "A2A refueling options for the FA-50" thread (http://defenseph.net/drp/index.php?topic=820.msg2078#msg2078), @horge mentioned that the 150-gallon external fuel tank (Aero-1C) which the fa50 uses is around ~21.7" or so in diameter...

using that info and looking at stills from the fa50 hidef vids, the radome would appear to be around ~18.6" in diameter... now for argument's sake let's just say the antenna of the elm-2032 is only slightly smaller than that at around 16" in diameter...

from the IAI Elta catalog (http://www.iai.co.il/sip_storage/files/0/38030.pdf) we know that the performance of the largest antenna size and highest transmitter power rating is given as ~148 km range in air-to-air mode (ie. from the catalog: 80 nm air-to-air, 80 nm air-to-ground, 160 nm air-to-sea)...

now in Friedman's "World Naval Weapon Systems", the elm-2032 is listed as having a 75 cm diameter antenna size as the maximum... now because both Friedman and the Elta catalog list the maximum weight as 100 kg (where weight depends on antenna configuration), it's possible that the 75 cm maximum diamter also applies to the catalog specs, so we make the assumption that the 75 cm antenna size applies to the ~148 km range performance...

so what we now have is: maximum antenna size of ~29.5" (ie. 75 cm) gives ~148 km range performance (at the same target rcs as used in the catalog)... and we also approximated the fa50 antenna size to be ~16"...

now from radar engineering we know that a slotted planar array antenna (like that used by the elm2032) has a range performance which is proportional to the fourth-root of the product of the antenna area and antenna gain (holding all other factors constant; see ref: "Radar Systems", Skolnik)... and we also know that the antenna gain is directly proportional to it's area... hence range is proportional to the fourth-root of the antenna area squared (again holding all other factors constant)...

given the maximum antenna diamter of 29.5", we thus get a maximum antenna area of ~684.8 sqin... and given an fa50 antenna diameter of ~16", we thus get an fa50 antenna area of ~201.1 sqin... thus the ratio of antenna areas (ie. fa50 to maximum) is ~0.294, which when squared gives ~0.086... and finally, taking the fourth-root of this squared ratio gives ~0.542

when we apply this ~0.542 scaling factor to the maximum range performance of ~148 km (since this range value is what is applicable to the maximum antenna size of ~29.5"), we get ~80.2 km as our approximation for the ~16" antenna size in the fa50...

so given ~148 km as the maximum air-to-air range for a full-size elm2032 antenna, we approximate the fa50 version as having a ~80 km air-to-air range performance (again this is with respect to the same target rcs used in the catalog)...

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(note 1)

there is actually one further scaling factor we could apply (as was mentioned briefly early on), and this is the transmitter power... this is because range is also proportional to the fourth-root of the transmit power...

now the catalog only states the power draw as ranging from 2-3 KVa (depending on transmitter configuration)... this is not the same as the transmit power however but we can make the assumption that just as the power draw ranges from 0.67 to 1.0 (ie. normalized to the 3 KVa maximum value), we can suppose that the transmit power would also have a proportional range from 0.67 to 1.0 as well...

this means that if the fa50 fcr has a ~80.2 km range performance with the high-power transmitter configuration, then with the low-power transmitter configuration we would expect a range performance of ~72.5 km...

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(note 2)

as to the question of what was the target rcs used in the Elta catalog, unfortunately it was not stated explicitly hence one could assume the ~148 km max range is the outright maximum performace of the fcr for that mode (ie. instrumented range in air-to-air mode), or one could assume it was based on a large rcs baseline target and scale ranges accordingly for other rcs targets (ie. knowing that range is directly proportional to the fourth-root of target rcs)...

one interesting thing to note is that Friedman gives the look-up air-to-air range as ~102 km (55 nm), which differs from the catalog maximum by a factor of ~0.687, this implies a fourth-power scaling of ~0.22 or roughly one-fifth... one could assume this means Friedman could have been using a target rcs of 1 sqm and the catalog used a target rcs of 5 sqm, or any other such combination preserving the roughly one-fifth relationship...

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(note 3)

in an old (2013-ish) KAI video which I saw in the old forum, a reference was made to a slightly under 100 km range which would mean an antenna sized at slightly under 20" in diameter...

perhaps one day someone could actually measure the radome (or even antenna) of PAF's fa-50 to check how large (or small) it is...
: Re: 2nd batch of FA-50s incoming
: Ayoshi December 09, 2016, 12:04:40 AM
Formal acceptance, turn over and blessing Ceremony of the 2nd batch of FA-50PH jets

Photos taken from PTV FB Page

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: Re: Surface Attack Aicraft / Lead-In Fighter Trainer Acquisition Project
: r3mu511 December 13, 2016, 06:44:38 AM
Estimating the range of an oval shaped antenna for an EL/M-2032 radar in the FA-50

tl/dr version

for an oval shaped antenna with dimensions of 15" by 24" the approximate air-to-air range performance is ~95 km... this compares quite well to an old KAI vid with a graphic showing a ~100 km range performance...

full version

starting with the previous calculations for a circular shaped antenna (as depicted in the Elta catalog), I had discussions with @raider (over at pdff) where he posted some pics he had found on closeups of the various elm2032 t-50/ta-50/fa-50 related images on the internet, one of which was quite useful as it provided a frontal view of an oval-shaped antenna with the enclosing radome also in the pic (thus providing a size comparison):

(http://www.sejati-tech.com/images/T50%20radar.jpg)

he was also able to find an old vid which showed the work KAI was doing on the elm2032 with the radar depicted scanning (at around the 2 min mark):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7y52AHEb6o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7y52AHEb6o)

so in my discussion with @raider, I put together this info he found with the previous calculations for a circular antenna to see what performance would be had from an oval shaped antenna on the size scale of what was depicted in the pic and vid he found...

comparison of the radiating slots in the pic vs. the vid clip showed they both had 14 slots in the vertical axis (along it's widest point) and 20 slots along the horizontal axis (also at it's widest point) so it would appear both antenna are similarly sized (or the very least carry the same height to width relative ratio)...

now from the previous size comparison of an aero1c external fuel tank and the fa50 radome as depicted in side views (eg: http://www.update.ph/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/FA-50PH-with-AIM-9-Sidewinder-.jpg), plus the info from @horge's post about the aero1c diameter, the fa50 radome looked to be about 18"-19" in height, which we round up to 20" since this was just done by pixel approximation...

now using the frontal antenna/radome pic provided by @raider, and with a radome height of 20", we can approximate the oval shaped antenna dimensions as 15" height by 24" width (again by doing pixel size comparison)...

from the previous post's calculation we arrived at an approximation of ~80 km for a 16" circular antenna... with a change in shape to an oval antenna of 15" by 24" we need to determine the effect on the range relative to the baseline value we approximated for the circular antenna...

as previously posted, via radar theory we know that the range performance will change proportionally to the fourth-root of the product of the antenna area and antenna gain (all other factors held constant)... and with the gain itself being directly proportional to the area this means the range is proportional to the fourth-root of the area squared, or equivalently the square-root of the antenna area...

this means that the range performance of an oval antenna of H inches height by W inches width, as normalized to the 16" circular antenna's range of ~80 km would yield:

range of oval antenna = 80 km * (pi * H/2 * W/2)^1/2 / (pi * (16/2)^2)^1/2

which will reduce to:

range of oval antenna = 5 km * (H * W)^1/2

(the validity of this approximation formula as normalized to the baseline range value can checked by noting that using a circular antenna of 75 cm or ~29.53" as given by Friedman will yield a range of approx ~148 km as found in the Elta catalog)

plugging in the width and height of the oval antenna we approximated from the pic yields:

range of oval antenna = 5 km * (15 * 24)^1/2 = ~94.87 km

so roughly ~95 km for an oval shaped 15" by 24" antenna... which compares favorably to the ~100 km found in the old vid from KAI on the elm2032 graphic:

(http://img.bemil.chosun.com/nbrd/data/10040/upfile/201201/20120102193711.jpg)
: Re: Surface Attack Aicraft / Lead-In Fighter Trainer Acquisition Project
: dr demented February 20, 2017, 08:53:51 PM
http://www.pna.gov.ph/index.php?idn=&nid=1&rid=965861

2 more FA-50 jet fighters to arrive Wednesday

MANILA, Feb. 21 (PNA) -- Two more South Korean-made FA-50PH "Fighting Eagle" jet fighters will be arriving in Clark Air Base, Pampanga Wednesday, raising the number of the country's Mach 1.5 capable aircraft to six.

This was confirmed by Philippine Air Force (PAF) spokesperson Col. Antonio Z. Francisco in a statement Tuesday.

He said that these FA-50PHs, with tail numbers 005 and 006, will be landing at Clark Air Base Wednesday around 11 a.m. after their flight from from South Korea.

Francisco said the two jet planes will be welcomed by Air Logistics Command head Major Gen. Arnold A. Mancita and PAF commander Lt. Gen. Edgar R. Fallorina.

With the impending delivery of the pair, only six more FA-50PHs remain to be delivered to the PAF.

The PAF's 12-plane order from Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) is worth PHP18.9 billion.

The FA-50PHs has a top speed of Mach 1.5 or one and a half times the speed of sound and is capable of being fitted air-to-air missiles, including the AIM-9 "Sidewinder" air-to-air and heat-seeking missiles aside from light automatic cannons.

It will act as the country's interim fighter until the Philippines get enough experience of operating fast jet assets and money to fund the acquisition of more capable fighter aircraft.

The FA-50PH design is largely derived from the F-16 "Fighting Falcon", and they have many similarities: use of a single engine, speed, size, cost, and the range of weapons.

KAI's previous engineering experience in license-producing the KF-16 was a starting point for the development of the FA-50PHs.

The aircraft can carry two pilots in tandem seating. The high-mounted canopy developed by Hankuk Fiber is applied with stretched acrylic, providing the pilots with good visibility, and has been tested to offer the canopy with ballistic protection against four-pound objects impacting at 400 knots.

The altitude limit is 14,600 meters (48,000 feet), and airframe is designed to last 8,000 hours of service.

There are seven internal fuel tanks with capacity of 2,655 liters (701 US gallons), five in the fuselage and two in the wings.

An additional 1,710 liters (452 US gallons) of fuel can be carried in the three external fuel tanks.

Trainer variants have a paint scheme of white and red, and aerobatic variants white, black, and yellow.

The FA-50PHs uses a single General Electric F404-102 turbofan engine license-produced by Samsung Techwin, upgraded with a full authority digital engine control system jointly developed by General Electric and KAI.

The engine consists of three-staged fans, seven axial stage arrangement, and an afterburner.

Its engine produces a maximum of 78.7 kN (17,700 lbf) of thrust with afterburner. (PNA)
BNB/PFN


: Re: Surface Attack Aicraft / Lead-In Fighter Trainer Acquisition Project
: israeli February 21, 2017, 01:56:59 AM
Two FA-50s due on Wednesday to bring PHL fighter jets to six —PAF (http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/600401/news/nation/two-fa-50s-due-on-wednesday-to-bring-phl-fighter-jets-to-six-paf)
By JOSEPH TRISTAN ROXAS, GMA News
Published February 21, 2017 2:45pm

Two more FA-50 fighter jets of the Philippine Air Force (PAF) are slated to be delivered in Clark Air Base, Pampanga on Wednesday by its South Korean manufacturer.

PAF spokesperson Col. Antonio Francisco said the delivery of the aircraft, with tail number 005 and 006, brings the total number of FA-50s in the Armed Forces' inventory to six.

Francisco said the arrival of the fighter jets would further strengthen the AFP and boost the training of PAF pilots in case the military acquires more jets.

<snipped>

Francisco said the remaining six FA50s are expected to arrive within the year.

<snipped>
: Re: Surface Attack Aicraft / Lead-In Fighter Trainer Acquisition Project
: 12th BCT February 21, 2017, 07:27:00 AM
Do anyone know what the pod-like protrusion on PAF FA50 002  is?
: Re: Surface Attack Aicraft / Lead-In Fighter Trainer Acquisition Project
: Manokski February 21, 2017, 10:28:57 AM
Do anyone know what the pod-like protrusion on PAF FA50 002  is?
Front facing radar warning receiver
: Re: Surface Attack Aicraft / Lead-In Fighter Trainer Acquisition Project
: 12th BCT February 21, 2017, 03:06:23 PM
Thank you, Manokski.

Is this a separate rwr from I presume the plane already comes with?
: Re: Surface Attack Aicraft / Lead-In Fighter Trainer Acquisition Project
: El_Filibusterismo1978 February 21, 2017, 04:48:25 PM
Whose gonna met 005 and 006?

Will it be 001, 002, 003 and 004? or all of them?
: Re: Surface Attack Aicraft / Lead-In Fighter Trainer Acquisition Project
: israeli February 21, 2017, 06:08:14 PM
Do anyone know what the pod-like protrusion on PAF FA50 002  is?
Front facing radar warning receiver

Thank you, Manokski.

Is this a separate rwr from I presume the plane already comes with?

i have the same question. did we get FA-50PHs with full avionics package or did we buy the RWR and other equipment separately?
: Re: Surface Attack Aicraft / Lead-In Fighter Trainer Acquisition Project
: Juramentado February 22, 2017, 10:42:40 AM
All of them have the RWR, at least as far as ll the photos I could find online of 001-004. Would it be an option for the FA-50 at all or standard? I imagine it would be for something more trainer oriented like the TA-50.
: Re: Surface Attack Aicraft / Lead-In Fighter Trainer Acquisition Project
: Manokski February 23, 2017, 08:01:47 PM
It would appear that it's standard on the FA50s. The T50s don't have them and don't need them for the training mission.
: Re: Surface Attack Aicraft / Lead-In Fighter Trainer Acquisition Project
: Juramentado February 23, 2017, 08:53:27 PM
Resident Indonesian Forum member Gombaljaya shared photos of the TNI T-50 with the same RWR receivers on the wings. Now, I could be wrong, but it was the T-50s that were camo'd, not the dark blue ones. I think TNI bought 12 T-50s and four TA-50s, so it could be the latter.
: Re: Surface Attack Aicraft / Lead-In Fighter Trainer Acquisition Project
: Herbie March 17, 2017, 07:14:57 PM
Fourth batch to arrive March 29.

http://m.philstar.com/headlines/show/8f3a597a8211a881544c4045019d7738?t=eh6vo541tm4fg4vrorq4o9e2q2
: Re: Surface Attack Aicraft / Lead-In Fighter Trainer Acquisition Project
: Herbie March 22, 2017, 10:42:06 PM
PHL's FA-50PH fleet to be completed in May

MANILA, March 23 (PNA) -- All 12 units of the brand-new South Korean-made FA-50PH "Fighting Eagle" jet aircraft will be delivered and under Philippine Air Force (PAF) control in May. Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) spokesperson Brig. Gen. Resituto Padilla made this announcement during an interview late Wednesday.

"By April, FA-50PHs with tail numbers 009 and 010 will be delivered while 011 and 012 be handed over this May. By that time, the PAF's FA-50PH fleet will be completed," he said in Filipino. Earlier, the PAF said that FA-50PHs with tail numbers 007 and 008 will be delivered to Clark Airbase in Angeles City, Pampanga on March 29.

And due to the initial good performance impressions given by the aircraft, Padilla said that there is a possibility, provided that they are given funding and authority by the civilian leadership, to acquire six more units of the Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) made jet fighter. "We are constantly evaluating the jet and so far, it's performance has been good. If we will be given additional funding and authority, we might acquire six more units," the AFP spokesperson stressed.

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: Re: Surface Attack Aicraft / Lead-In Fighter Trainer Acquisition Project
: Juramentado March 23, 2017, 06:48:17 AM
The Iraqi order was the bottleneck, but that finally cleared with last deliveries earlier this month.There may also be an incentive tied to the Thai order to deliver early, but that's just a guess.

The line then goes idle. Idle lines don't stay open very long. No new clients have been announced. If the PAF wants 24-36 more, they need to start negotiations real soon. Since it took a G2G to deliver this 12, one wonders what kind of mid-level miracle will it take to get to a 24 plane order timely?
: Re: Surface Attack Aicraft / Lead-In Fighter Trainer Acquisition Project
: sirius April 02, 2017, 10:15:01 AM
The Iraqi order was the bottleneck, but that finally cleared with last deliveries earlier this month.There may also be an incentive tied to the Thai order to deliver early, but that's just a guess.

The line then goes idle. Idle lines don't stay open very long. No new clients have been announced. If the PAF wants 24-36 more, they need to start negotiations real soon. Since it took a G2G to deliver this 12, one wonders what kind of mid-level miracle will it take to get to a 24 plane order timely?

As far as I understand, Argentina is still considering the FA-50, but it's shaky as it uses US made engines and it's likely that the USA will block the sale on behalf of England.

http://www.defensa.com/especial-modernizacion-defensa-argentina/reflotando-fuerza-aerea-argentina
: Re: Surface Attack Aicraft / Lead-In Fighter Trainer Acquisition Project
: israeli April 26, 2017, 12:31:33 AM
PHL gets 2 more FA-50 fighter jets from Korea; last 2 to arrive before July (http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/news/regions/608466/phl-gets-2-more-fa-50-fighter-jets-from-korea-last-2-to-arrive-before-july/story?utm_source=GMANews&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_campaign=news)
Published April 26, 2017 3:04pm

The Philippine Air Force (PAF) on Wednesday received two more FA-50 fighter jets in Clark Air Base, Pampanga from a South Korean manufacturer.

At a news conference, PAF spokesperson Col. Antonio Francisco said the aircraft, with tail number 009 and 010, touched down in Clark around 11:20 a.m. and was welcomed by 1st Air Division commander Maj. Gen. Enrique Reyes.

Francisco said Air Logistics Command chief Maj. Gen. Arnold Mancita and the air base's council of elder commanders also welcomed the fighter jets.

The delivery of the jets brings the total number of FA-50s in the Armed Forces' inventory to 10 following last month's arrival of two FA-50s.

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Francisco said the military hopes the two remaining fighters jets, with tail number 011 and 012, would be delivered in time for the PAF's founding anniversary in July.

"We are expecting that hopefully by next month, pero hindi pa natin alam yung delivery schedule, exact date, pero within the year... hinahabol natin before the anniversary ng Air Force," he said.

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: Re: Surface Attack Aicraft / Lead-In Fighter Trainer Acquisition Project
: Ayoshi June 01, 2017, 06:09:25 AM
South Korea's KAI completes deliveries of FA-50PH aircraft to Philippines | IHS Jane's 360 (http://www.janes.com/article/71047/south-korea-s-kai-completes-deliveries-of-fa-50ph-aircraft-to-philippines) - 01 June 2017
The PAF said in a statement on its Facebook page that the final two FA-50PHs arrived at Clark Air Base north of Manila on 31 May. They were formally accepted in a ceremony presided over by Major General Arnold Mancita, the commander of Air Logistics Command.

The PAF's acquisition of the 12 FA-50PHs is part of a programme to enhance the southeast Asian country's defence capabilities.
: Re: Surface Attack Aicraft / Lead-In Fighter Trainer Acquisition Project
: El_Filibusterismo1978 June 02, 2017, 03:04:22 AM
Is it true that Du30 plans to add another 12 FA50's for have a total of 24 FA50..

: Re: Surface Attack Aicraft / Lead-In Fighter Trainer Acquisition Project
: Herbie June 02, 2017, 04:41:37 AM
Is it true that Du30 plans to add another 12 FA50's for have a total of 24 FA50..

He just said "jets". Something like, when I finish my term, there will be 24 jets that i will leave to you, etc.

He also added that we may get them from two countries, which he said he will not mention. He also added that does not want second hand ships, he wants brand new.
: Re: Surface Attack Aicraft / Lead-In Fighter Trainer Acquisition Project
: El_Filibusterismo1978 June 05, 2017, 08:05:47 PM
sana Gripen na lang... wishful thinking...  ;D ;D ;D
: Re: Surface Attack Aicraft / Lead-In Fighter Trainer Acquisition Project
: Ayoshi July 06, 2017, 08:29:12 AM
KAI completes delivery of FA-50PH fighter jets to Philippine Air Force | Air Recognition (http://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/archive-world-worldwide-news-air-force-aviation-aerospace-air-military-defence-industry/global-defense-security-news/global-news-2017/july/3601-kai-completes-delivery-of-fa-50ph-fighter-jets-to-philippine-air-force.html) - 05 July 2017
Korea Aerospace Industries Co. (KAI), the country's sole aircraft manufacturer, said Tuesday it has completed the delivery of light attack aircraft to the Philippines. The aerospace company said it delivered the 12 FA-50PH light attack aircraft three months earlier than scheduled and expressed hope the Southeast Asian country will place an additional order for the same jets down the road.

At an event held in the Philippines to celebrate the deployment of the attack aircraft to its air force Tuesday, Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte said his government will consider purchasing another 12 FA-50PH aircraft during his six-year term that began June 30 last year.

(http://www.airrecognition.com/images/stories/news/2017/July/KAI_completes_delivery_of_FA_50PH%20fighter_jets%20to_Philippine_Air%20_Force_640_001.jpg)
PAF's 12th and last FA-50PH light attack aircraft landing at Clark Airbase (Credit: Philippine Air Force)